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Add Ethnic Slurs section toReserved Handle List #1087

Closed rangerthreepio closed 2 years ago

rangerthreepio commented 2 years ago

terms: gypsy, zingara, zingaro, tzigan,tzigane, gyppo, cigano, zigeuner, gitan,gitano, gipsy, gypsi \ ethnic slurs for the Roma

flwyd commented 2 years ago

Should slurs for other ethnic groups also be added to the reserved callsigns?
Is this a Council-approved list, or do we need to go through the handle-reservation process here?


I'd prefer to add a new category (maybe call it "offensive") rather than reuse the "reserved" category so that it's clearer why the name isn't a good fit.

It's also probably okay if a proposed handle rhymes with an offensive word (e.g. "Titan" should be fine even if "Gitan" is offensive), since our goal here isn't to avoid radio confusion but to block specific words.

Finally, the handle checker currently shows a filterable list of unavailable callsigns. Are we okay with showing a pile of ethnic slurs on the page?


A different approach would be to add an "offensive words" handle checker rule rather than treating these as reserved callsigns. (Or broaden the FCC naughty words rule, which currently just has the Carlin Seven.) This would avoid flagging callsigns that just rhyme with slurs while still flagging names like "Gypsy Child". It also wouldn't show all known ethnic slurs at the bottom of the page. The rule could show a message like Gypsy is an ethnic slur for the Roma people rather than Gypsy Child contains Gypsy which is less obviously a problem.

mikeburg commented 2 years ago

@flwyd We need to act on this quickly because the PNV floodgates open next week. Threepio and I already had a brief discussion on the list.

If you are wanting to work on this, it needs to happen by the end of this weekend (April 3rd, 2022). Let me know by tomorrow March 30th.

flwyd commented 2 years ago

I don't see an email thread on this topic on the tech list, so the context is new to me.

I could probably do something quick with this in the next day or two, but am leaving on vacation on Saturday the 2nd.

rangerthreepio commented 2 years ago

A different approach would be to add an "offensive words" handle checker rule rather than treating these as reserved callsigns. (Or broaden the FCC naughty words rule, which currently just has the Carlin Seven.) This would avoid flagging callsigns that just rhyme with slurs while still flagging names like "Gypsy Child". It also wouldn't show all known ethnic slurs at the bottom of the page. The rule could show a message like Gypsy is an ethnic slur for the Roma people rather than Gypsy Child contains Gypsy which is less obviously a problem.

This is the best of the above solutions as far as I can tell. Deep appreciations.

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I don't see an email thread on this topic on the tech list, so the context is new to me.

I could probably do something quick with this in the next day or two, but am leaving on vacation on Saturday the 2nd.

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mikeburg commented 2 years ago

I could probably do something quick with this in the next day or two, but am leaving on vacation on Saturday the 2nd.

Is that a yes or a no?

flwyd commented 2 years ago

Since Threepio is onboard with the "broaden the Carlin Seven" approach, I'll take this.

flwyd commented 2 years ago

Inappropriate Words handle rule created by tweaking the FCC rule, and Roma slurs added.

I'm assuming we should probably add slurs for other ethnic groups to the inappropriate words list at some point. That task is now basically just adding strings to a list.

rangerthreepio commented 2 years ago

Yes, and Council general is averse to adding reserved words except when absolutely necessary, and then only by Council discussion. I had written, and ended up deleting the part of my comment that said: "creating a new section should not be an excuse to grow the overall list of words, that is not the goal."

3po

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Inappropriate Words handle rule created by tweaking the FCC rule, and Roma slurs added.

I'm assuming we should probably add slurs for other ethnic groups to the inappropriate words list at some point. That task is now basically just adding strings to a list.

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mikeburg commented 2 years ago

Thanks @flwyd for tackling this on a short notice. This overloaded mad scientist appreciates it.

rangerthreepio commented 2 years ago

Marked done on my 2019 VC Ember Items List. The VERY Last item. I owe Stonebeard more cider.

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