Add easy-to-add buttons

[TheOrgg]

There's a few easily added buttons, and one discovered set that shouldn't need anything other than allowing cards instead of buttons as images.

Easily added:
Julz: https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2492 If you'd prefer it to be round and not "full art," I can do that. I prefer the shrunk full art one at the bottom.

Eberk: https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2504

Space Battles set:(cross this one out; one of the designers doesn't want it on here) https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2496 (Can we use the cards if they're shrunk?)

Hodgepodge Bunny Temple

[TheOrgg]

The two proposed Radicals, GG and Bernie https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2539

[blackshadowshade]

So, I'd really like some discussion on these from others, even just a yea or nay on each.

[dwvanstone]

I trust the research done on these. I think these are fine:

Julz (in 2000 Promos set) Eberk (in new 2010 Promos set) Revising Largo (in MegaTokyo) Bunny Temple (I'd recommend making a Tributes set that fans of the site can make for people/friends/families who have passed away rather than adding to Hodge Podge)

Do any of these have descriptions?

As to Space Battles, the formulas look great but the images aren't 150x150. (They are 180x254.) Also, would we have any troubles going live with this site with the images in Space Battles in terms of copyright? The recipes/names look great. Could these buttons be added with the larger images? Or just added without images?

Dürer Räwg: I get that the second word is GWAR backwards, does the first word have a meaning? All but those three buttons with special powers would be an easy & fun addition. I'd approve.

As for the Free Radicals set: CynCyn: no. I can't read the name nor recipe Loren: no. I can't read the name nor the button recipe Lorrie: yes on the new image Maskin: no. The art on the website now is better (easier to read) than the new one Randy: no. Can't read name/button recipe Tony: no. Can't read the recipe Bernie: Yes! The art is clear. Welcome to the ButtonMen family! D(4) 20 4/8 6/8 D(S) GG: Yes to recipe, no to the art. (Can't read it) I think the recipe is 6 6 D(12) D(24) S

[TheOrgg]

The art is from Albrecht Durer. Might be better as Rawg Durer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_D%C3%BCrer

I'll fiddle with the new Radicals when I get time; the 'cut out' numbers like on the original Maskin are difficult to figure out, and I cannot replicate it just yet. I'll keep trying. EDIT: Take a look at the most recent ones. (I forgot to bold Bernie's dice highlights, but the rest are finished--Bernie wasn't hard to read anyway so I might just leave it like that.)

The artwork in Space Battles was done by one of its creators, so we should be fine as far as copyrights there.

[dwvanstone]

The artwork in Space Battles was done by one of its creators, so we should be fine as far as copyrights there.

But is this the creators' drawings or did the creator simply reuse artwork from the original series? (In which case the creator might be fine with printing their own fan cards but we might have different standards for an online website -- I honestly don't know but wanted to bring it up just in case.)

[TheOrgg]

I'll contact them via boardgamegeek again, but it might take a while for them to get back to me. I was under the impression the illustrations were by Sedi Villa, but I'll check.

EDIT: Not her, but by a friend of their's. " using art by another friend and member of PnP Gaming" (from the creator interview on https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Battles)

[blackshadowshade]

Right, I'll update the images for the Free Radicals then.

[scipiohaereticus]

I'm not as familiar with the history of all these, but I see no problem with Julz, Eberk, Largo and Bunny Temple.

I'd also welcome the Durer Rawg set, I wasn't part of the playtesting at the time but if it passed well enough, a whole new set sounds fun.

I'm no expert on copyright and similar things so I can't really comment on the Space Battles images, but the set seems well thought out and assembled with care. A lot of the appeal comes from the images though, so I'm not sure if I'd like them as much if they were on here without images.

As for the Radicals, I'm also not familiar with their history in exact detail, but if the two new ones somehow belong in that set, I say let them in. I have to agree with devious though, a lot of the art is too dark and unreadable for me. Could we shed a little light on them?

[randomlife]

The more the merrier!

[dwvanstone]

Not her, but by a friend of their's. " using art by another friend and member of PnP Gaming" (from the creator interview on https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Space_Battles)

I think the art is incredible. Wow. I don't know how to get them to be 150x150.

Take a look at the most recent ones. (I forgot to bold Bernie's dice highlights, but the rest are finished--Bernie wasn't hard to read anyway so I might just leave it like that.)

I had a hard time finding them, but found them in #2541 . Nice! I like 'em!!

[TheOrgg]

I whacked out the first few Space Battles in the only square format I could think of. If this works, I'll do the rest like this. Working around the unreadable flavor text might make a few look a bit messy.

[dwvanstone]

I love these!! The text from the old images can become the descriptions.

[TheOrgg]

I'll put the full 24 onto the Space Battles page. I figured out how to get all the stats at the bottom (there were only two I would've flipped, and one looked terrible. I used selective blurring to 'erase' the text.

EDIT: Didn't mean to close this. Oops. Re-opened.

[dwvanstone]

I'll put the full 24 onto the Space Battles page.

They look great! If you want the description to go with the buttons I'd suggest adding them to #2496.

[TheOrgg]

Done, but someone needs to double-check my handiwork.

Also, did a little change to one of the new Radicals to highlight the figure in the photo. Should we keep the old Maskin or swap it for the new for consistency?

[TheOrgg]

Are we good to go on all except SpaceBattles?

[TheOrgg]

So I was looking through 50States, the closest set to Fanatics, and noted a few inactive buttons that look like they would be fine to add.

k(7) g(9) (12) F(15) (X) Arizona

H(4) v(11) h(20) (4/20)? (R) Connecticut

n(4) m(5) k(8) F(13) d(Y) Hawaii

n^(6) f(8) D(9) (11) k(T) Iowa

None of these have unsupported skills. Is there something I'm missing?

[blackshadowshade]

Yes, you're missing a number of issues:

1802 outlines the konstant fire bug, which affects Arizona and Hawaii, and potentially Iowa if the D(9) becomes a fire die.

The problem with Connecticut is that I don't know how to interpret (4/20)?, thus there's no functional code to deal with it.

[TheOrgg]

An option die that randomly chooses the size each time it is used? That's how I'd interpret it (and if you hadn't discussed about it, I can see why it wouldn't be functional.

Looking at the official rules, I think that formatting works. "The Mood Swing is a variant of the Turbo, except that whenever it is rolled it changes randomly to a new size."
I know a Turbo can stay the same when someone uses it, so the random swing should have a chance at staying the same Option size when the Moody Option activates.

(sorry if I'm bugging you with all these questions. I was just digging around and one page led to the next)

[dwvanstone]

I think, from reading above, these are the "easy-to-add buttons" (i.e. no outstanding issues):

Julz: #2492 Eberk: #2504 Largo: #2488 #2489 Bunny Temple: (5) (5) (5) (5) (V) artwork in original post, I'm fine with it in Hodge Podge

(Should Bunny Temple be in her own separate thread so she doesn't get lost?)

Anna Lee, Bishop, Brad, Brenda, Brent, Cardie, Cheery, Chuck, Cuddy, Dave, Derks, Dickie, Don, Gorman, Hedy, Hunter, Jamie, Maggie, Matt Ron, Reilly, Smoot, Stamps, Zedna: #2507

We already have the Free Radicals (including the two new buttons) actively being worked on in #2541

I recommend moving any further discussions about Connecticut to #1927.

I recommend moving any further discussions about Space Battles to #2496.

[TheOrgg]

Sanctum Rare: Wumpus. Neat that it exists, kinda boring as a button.

[TheOrgg]

So where are we on these? As far as I can tell, everything was cool other than Space Battles. We rectified the art issues with Radicals.

Wumpus, Yea or Nae? It's a legit rare from the company.

[TheOrgg]

Also, is there any copy-paste work I can do to help get the new items ready, or other non-programming stuff I can do to help?

[blackshadowshade]

Just for completeness (I say that @TheOrgg has already seen this), I'm just waiting for us to get #2389 accepted before adding further buttons.

[TheOrgg]

Two more with only Standard Dice. Welcome the Standard Action Button Men! These are a little 'zoomed in' because I cropped some of the 'bleed' out. I thought they'd look better zoomed in a little on the BMO site. https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Action

Another concern I have about these... Now that Anno is creating another set, I'm worried that it'll get overshadowed if a huge deluge of new buttons just pop up out of the blue all at the same time. I'd like these to have a little chance to shine, even if many of them are generic. Is it possible to maybe get just these two, Wumpus, Eberk, Julz, and Bunny added the next update? Only Julz isn't purely Standard Dice, and she only has the Speed skill.

[blackshadowshade]

Sorry, but no new buttons can be added until we get #2389 done, due to the many potential conflicts with the very complex codebase change.

[TheOrgg]

This is ta post BSS described as potentially helpful, just for a summary so we don't lose track adding the new sets when that's possible.

Easy to add, all Standard Dice or Option Dice: Scott Pilgrim: https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2703 Standard Action (above) Wumpus (Rare for Sanctum, above) Bunny Temple (Tribute, Hodgepodge set[?]) XXXenophile fan additions(?): https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Partially_Created_Fan_Sets

Option Dice: Eberk ("1999-2020 Promos" set, assuming we're taking @jl8e 's suggestion) https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2504

Speed Dice: Julz ("1999-2010 Promos") https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2492

Doppelganger Dice: GG and Bernie (Free Radicals)

Currently in testing: CorpWorld, Fanatics 2021 https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2664 https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2346

New Set with new P-Swing dice: Durer Rawg (mostly, minus special characters): https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2507

A huge set we probably don't need but might as well have since it exists: Sailor Moon Crystal: https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2500

New Buttons that, if they're going to be put on the site, probably need a test site to make sure there's no bugs. Cheapass James https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2494 Con Man 2020 https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2558 Enjileon (Cryptonom set. Can't find the issue I thought I made for it...) https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Cryptonom

Sets/Buttons that'll be grey'd out, but if we're adding, we might as well add them to avoid annoyance later: Buzzing Weasel (last button to get active?) (though the 'suck' skill might be fun for a Fanatic...)

Monstrous Musicians set https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2497 https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2661

Button Ponies https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2495 (I'll fix up 150px ones for it and post it on its issue page)

Ice Cream Warriors (in a future a far, far time away) https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2553

Warlords(and then we'll fix the recipe when I can find out what the skill is) https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2616

Button Murderers (Lucky!) https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2349

DriveThruCards Customs Mariko: [(10) (10) (X) (X) (X)] Natch: [(4) (20) (X) (X) (X)] Priestess: [(6) (8) (X) (X) (X)] Shae: [(12) (20) (X) (X) (X)]

Arcane: [p(4) (10,10) F(12) (X) s(X)] Vermin Supreme: [(4) (20) (4,8) (6,12) (6,20)] William Wardicus [(8) s(10) s(12) s(20) s(X)]

Button Ben: [(4) p(6) z(12) s(20) (X)] In Nomine: [(R!/S!) (T!/U!) (V?/X?) (W!/Y!) (Z)] Sniper Wolf: [s(5) s(7) sc(10) z(14) s(U!)]

Recipe fixes: Classic Fanatics:
ABCGi (X,X) to (X!,Y!) Cest Wha has a pk(2) on image, p(2) on recipe Gman has stinger but rage on image Prof. Booty has last two dice swapped, update recipe order RavenBlack has a Mighty in art, but a Weak in recipe.

Steve (Bridge and Tunnel): Update recipe as specified by Steve himself (two that would randomly occur)

If I think of other button-level fixes needed, I'll post them here.

[blackshadowshade]

Just to summarise a conversation I've been having with @TheOrgg, I'll be aiming to put in one big pull request adding buttons with recipes that are vanilla or have skill combinations that already occur in existing buttons. This should only really require automated testing and should thus be easy to accept. It will also reduce the potential for code conflict in our test code that is caused by multiple small additions of buttons and button sets.

After that goes through, we start addressing potentially more problematic button recipes more slowly in multiple pull requests, which will be tested both by testers and RandomAI.

[blackshadowshade]

Regarding the recipe fixes, I think this needs to be addressed on a separate issue, since these can be somewhat complicated.

[TheOrgg]

Also, since the total number of buttons is important for the base code, adding the sets that will then be autodeactivated from Staging to Production allows just the skill to be worked on, and not have to worry about adding the set after the skill is implemented.

Essentially, a biiiiig batch of buttons is much easier work than half a dozen or more small batches being added. The same amount of work has to happen each time.

[jl8e]

I've got to ask:

A huge set we probably don't need but might as well have since it exists: Sailor Moon Crystal: #2500

Why is this the only set characterized this way? It's a physically extant set, unlike most of the others.

[TheOrgg]

I own the physical ones. They're great to play with.

However, many of the Sailor Moon Crystal characters are either near or exact duplicates of a Sailor Moon already on the site or identical with a different Iconic Special Ability. Since the Iconics will take a while to get to, it doesn't feel needed at the moment to me.

[TheOrgg]

Is my January 26th post enough to work on the big update, or do I need to do a bit more work, @blackshadowshade ?

[TheOrgg]

Not sure where to file this one...

https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/Fight_City_Drawn-In_characters

[TheOrgg]

I think the only set discovered since these was Twin Sword Training, https://github.com/buttonmen-dev/buttonmen/issues/2854 . If we find set 2 of TST, we can put it with the first.

(bumping this, as @blackshadowshade recommended)

Almost forgot the big block of sets Dana rediscovered not too long ago! (also, I realized the list gives us a timeline of the Buttonmen Online sets' release!!)

It Came From The 80's

Amadeus (5) d(12) ^(18) (8,6) (X) Er war Superstar, er war populaer, er war so exaltiert, because he beat people up.

Der Komissar (4) f(10) s(10) (8,3) (X)? Don't turn around...Der Komissar's in town...and if you DO turn around, Der Kommisar will beat you up.

Eileen f(4) (6/9) z(12) (8,3) (X) Eileen swears that if you don't get up off of your knees, beatings will commence in about 5 freakin' seconds.

Gloria (4) (8,2) G(10) s(12) (X) If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody calling? Oh! Right! They're beating you up instead. Grand!

Geddy Lee - MISSING. Saaad!

Jessie's Girl t(3) (6/9) (8,1) z(16) (X) You know you feel so dirty when they start talking cute, you want to tell her that you love her but you'd get beaten up.

Jack and Diane (6/9) (8,2) Ho(9) %(20) (X) A little ditty 'bout Jack and Diane...two American kids gettin' beat up in the Heartland...

Jenny B(6) (7,5) (3) o(9) (X) +(30) Jenny does not appreciate the way you got her number. If you continue to call her at that number, Jenny won't bother with a restraining order. Jenny will beat you up.

Mr. Roboto (8,3) (10) %(11) (10,1) (X) "Domo arigato this, pal," says Mister Roboto as he beats you mercilessly.

Sherrie (4) (8,4) G(10) %(9,9) (X) Shoulda been gone, knowin' how you made Sherrie feel...and you shoulda been gone...after she beat you within an inch of you life.

Sister Christian Ho(4) f(6) (8,4) (20) (X) MOTORIN'! What's her price for flight? And finding Mr. Right? She'll beat you up tonight...

Sweet Child (5) (8,8) n(12) (S)! X Now and then when I see her face, she takes me away to that special place, and if I stare to long, I'd probably get beaten up.

Thriller t(2) G(12) (2,6) (8,4) X The foulest stench is in the air - the funk of forty thousand years. And grizzy ghouls from every tomb are closing in to beat you up.

Chronicles of Amber

Benedict is a connoisseur of warfare,he's spent centuries getting goodat beating people up. f(4) (4) (12) (12) r(20) sr(20) rd(4) r(4)

Brand would be cute if he wasn'tout of his mind. He beats peopleup not because he likes to do sobut because it's part of hismaster plan to reshape theuniverses in his own image. (4) p(8) (12) o(20) sr(8) sr(10) r(8) hr(10)

Caine has the heart of a pirateand likes sailing, drinking,and beating people up. H(8) s(8) z(12) (R)!

Corwin H(8) z(10) (S)! s(W)

Dworkin is often found beating people up and having out of mind experiences. B(2/6) sB(12) pB(6/20)! oB(20)

Eric lives to beat Corwin up. But when Corwin isn't around, he likes to stay in shape by beating other people up. J(8) H(10) (10) s(W) (W)?

Fiona would never beat anyone up. The last three people who said she did suffered mysterious ailments and never recovered. (4) (6) sf(6) (10) sr(8) or(8) r(8) r(12)

Oberon's the son of Dworkin and the father of everyone else and occasionally needs to beat up his scions to show them why he's King. D(6) H(12) (20) (R)!

Big, dumb and slow are words to describe Gerard. But only when he's out of earshot, lest he beat the tar out of you.
HB(12) B(20) sB(20) B(Z)

Deirdre is a fresh-faced innocent who doesn't really like beating people up, but it sort of comes with being in the family. (8) D(8) (8) s(10) r(6) r(6) rD(8) r(8)

Bleys likes the finer things in life: wine, women, song, and beating people up. z(10) (10) (10/20) p(6/10) (6/10)

Because she's so pretty in a Hollywood kind of way, people are often surprised when Florimel beats them up. (8) s(8) (8/12) h(10/12) q(10/20)

The Warden of the Forest of Arden, Julian likes to beat up those he feels have slighted him. That list is incredibly inclusive.
p(8) o(8) h(10) s(12) (X)? Julian

Llewella dwells in sadness beneath the sea and only beats up those who trouble her. (8) f(8) n(10) (10) rn(4) tr(4) r(8) r(8)

Random likes all night card games, marathon drum solos, and beating people up. H(2/4) t(4/6) (4/10)! (12/20)

Doctor Oche

Dr. Oche [d(1) (8) d(10) (9/16) (X)!] The Doctor obtained his Medical degree in Grenada in 1983. His degree in veterinary medicine in Panama in 88. A man of mystery, you may find him making his escape from any country on the brink. Is he employed by the CIA? Who knows? All we know is where Oche is, Chaos follows, and he likes to beat people up. Please see www.droche.freeservers.com

Charlie Chaplin [t(4) ^(7) (9) (11) r(1) r(10) r(12) r(30)] Dr. Oche's loyal sidekick. He somehow bends the laws of time and space to be there at Oche's side when it all falls apart. Charlie likes young women, molotov cocktails, and beating people up.

Sergent Steroid [p(6) p(10) B(20) B(20) B(U)?] An ex-marine and Dr. Oche's nemesis. This oversized monstrosity is thought to be the result of an Dr. Oche experiment gone horribly wrong. He has more hatred in his pinky than your entire body, partially because his pinky is larger than your entire body. He enjoys long walks on beaches, sunrises and beating people up.

Roid Rabbits [h(2) hp(4) p(6) B(10) (V)] An army of horribly mutated bunnies. This horde is the work of Sgt Steroid as part of his plot to destroy Dr. Oche and take over the world. These rabbits like lettuce, carrots, and steroid laden hunks of beef. When not on duty, they like to beat people up.

Moody Mutants

Armstrong (8) (10) (10) hp(T,T) %(T,T)

Beotch %(6) %(10) %(10) %(12) %(X)

Crutch %z(12) %(20) %(40)

Llamagirl (6) p(20) (20) h(20) h(U)

Nemnottub (6) (10) %(12) p(W) (W)

Scythe Jp(4,4) (6,6) (12) (16) o(20)

Slurpee (6) (12) Jh(16) (20)

Wonko (6) %(6) (4,4) s(4,16) hsp(4,20)

RADIOACTIVE A-BOMB %(50) %(50)

Bio Rad %H(3) %c(14) %o(15) %p(3,3) %s(3,5)

Halflife %(4) %(4) (12) %z(30)

Hiroshima (4/13) (6) %(12) %(16) (R)

Ignalina (30) %(30) (X) %(X)

Kursk (2) %(3,4) %(5,6) (7) %(X)

Meltdown %Ho(4) %Ho(6) %ho(12) %ho(16) %ho(20)

Nagasaki (4) %(6) (12) (W) %(W,W)

Tjernobyl (4) (6) (4/12) %(20) %(X)

[TheOrgg]

And almost forgot these guys...

Hodgepodge Courtney Kennedy f(8) f(12) tz(16) B(20) B(30) Courtney Kennedy hates penalties and warm weather. Courtney likes men smaller than her, silver jewelry, coed naked body checks, multiple shots on goal, and beating people up

Avatars Animal (8) (8) s(8) s(8) r(8) Hr(8) zr(8) r(8,8) Animal is a ferocious predator. He enjoys terrorizing rodents, chasing away scavengers, drinking apple-cinnamon tea, and beating people up. (Jasyeman's Avatar)

The Envoy d(4/20) (6) (8) d(10/20) (16) The Envoy like Cuban cigars and beating people up. (Yagarek's Avatar)

Kurt Angle (3) Ho(9) (20) %o(20) (X)? Kurt's three I's - intensity, integrity, and intelligence - have lead him to an Olympic gold medal and a lucrative career beating people up. (malarson's Avatar)

Kuroneko-Sama (13) s(13) (4,9) o(13) z(13) Kuroneko-Sama is a cute little black cat that enjoys saying "nyo," spreading bad luck and beating people up (Kurosuke's Avatar)

Lord Chaom sf(6) sf(6) (10) (10) (10) +(4) Lord Chaom is a true hero. Most of his time he is slaying dragons or rescuing young ladies. In his spare time... beating people up. (Calmon's Avatar)

MacGuffin (2,2) (4,4) (8,8) s(16) z(R) The MacGuffin is a Hitchcockian plot device which likes suspense movies, hunting lions in the Scottish highlands and beating up people who have been falsely accused of crimes. (kestrel's Avatar)

Mr. Sparkle (12) (12) h(12) H(12) o(X)? I am a magnet for foodstuffs, and I will banish dirt to the land of wind and ghosts! I'm disrespectful to dirt! Can you see I am serious! Get out of my way, all of you! This is no place for loafers. Join me or die. Can you do any less? For Lucky best wash, use Mr. Sparkle... and beat people up! (SocialClass's Avatar)

Mrs. Bates (2) p(4) (12) B(16) (Y) Mrs. Bates likes spooky houses on old coast highways. She dislikes shower curtains, vacant motel rooms, and her son Norman fraternizing with cheap women! She also likes cutting people up. (Notorious's Avatar)

MYGEL (4) B(8) (10) s(S) (S) MYGEL is the funktion of political life, the essence that make all Tricky Dicks smile as they beat people up!

Nemesis p(4) p(6) (12) (20) (U) Nemesis is the goddess of vengeance. She enjoys dispensing retributive justice, doling out just punishments, and beating people up. (juelki's Avatar)

Quint (6) (10) hz(10) (20) n(20) Quint often appears to lonely, troubled souls, but is always invisible to everyone else. He enjoys suggesting simple, surprising solutions to common social problems and beating people up (ElihuRoot's Avatar)

SnafuGirl (2,4) %(8) (12) B(16) (S)? SnafuGirl is that weird looking girl working at the front desk of your office. The one with the big glasses, her hair in pigtails and that annoying laughter that makes her sound like a pig. You wouldn't think that's only her 'normal' alter ego, that she's really NoopMan's sidekick who always hits on her coworkers at company parties, takes them home, and Beats Them Up! (NoopMan's Avatar)

Tyler Durden o(2,2) o(6) %(20) B(20) o(X)? "This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time. You are not the clothes you wear! You have to realize that someday you will die - until you know this, you are useless. I say: Let's evolve, and let the chips fall where they may." Tyler likes to blow stuff up and beat people up and cause Mayhem. Tyler says: Use soap. (Trouble's Avatar)

Unruled 8 12 p16 20 X

Wilton Mithem Ho(4) (8) (10) (15) (X) Wilton likes writing letters to large corporations about new product ideas. He might be found doing a jig in a turtle costume and likes to beat people up. (jeffboyardy's Avatar)

Yo Mama (6) Ho(6) s(10) %(20) o(X) Yo Mama is so fat. Yo Mama smokes crack. She's got a bernin' yearnin' and there's no turnin' back. Yo Mama's got a peg leg with a kick stand, a glass eye with a fish in it, and an afro with a chin strap. Yo Mama drinks whiskey out of a boot when beating people up. (professorbooty's Avatar)

[cgolubi1]

Re Chronicles of Amber: "Dierdre" looked weird to me, so i checked, and per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Chronicles_of_Amber_characters it is in fact "Deirdre" as i would have expected.

[TheOrgg]

Edited. I'm not familiar with them more than just knowing it exists and is about time travel.

[cgolubi1]

The Hodgepodge/Avatars flavor texts, in general, suffer from the problem where the male characters' texts are about things, and the female characters' texts are about men/about sex/vaguely lascivious.

I think it's obvious why, as a women's hockey fan, i'm not cool with the idea of having the only female hockey player on the site have exactly the Courtney Kennedy text, and would need to see some edits. I've been editing this comment for 15 minutes to try to spell it out, and it's just making me mad, so i'm going to put it down for now --- volunteers for a general edit pass would be terrific, whenever we get to the point where that's helpful.

[irilyth]

Edited. I'm not familiar with them more than just knowing it exists and is about time travel.

I would've said "a multiverse", I don't think there's time travel but now I'm not 100% sure, it's been a while. :^ )

[TheOrgg]

The Hodgepodge/Avatars flavor texts, in general, suffer from the problem where the male characters' texts are about things, and the female characters' texts are about men/about sex/vaguely lascivious.

I think it's obvious why, as a women's hockey fan, i'm not cool with the idea of having the only female hockey player on the site have exactly the Courtney Kennedy text, and would need to see some edits. I've been editing this comment for 15 minutes to try to spell it out, and it's just making me mad, so i'm going to put it down for now --- volunteers for a general edit pass would be terrific, whenever we get to the point where that's helpful.

Honestly, I don't think I have even read the flavor texts except for Dr. Oche. I'm fine with them getting edited or changed; flavor text is the least important thing to me in preserving BM (though finding new original ones is exciting, if it is problematic... well, BM is a product of its time and sometimes we see how awful things were)

[TheOrgg]

I would've said "a multiverse", I don't think there's time travel but now I'm not 100% sure, it's been a while. :^ )

You're probably right. I know next-to-nothing about Amber.

[cgolubi1]

I'm fine with them getting edited or changed; flavor text is the least important thing to me in preserving BM (though finding new original ones is exciting, if it is problematic... well, BM is a product of its time and sometimes we see how awful things were)

This is useful context on how you're thinking about this --- thanks for sharing, and especially appreciate the carte blanche to edit, which we're certainly going to have to do to bring in many of these buttons.

BM is a product of its time, but, also, we're making a BM server now, in our time. The flavor texts and art communicate what kind of culture we have, and what players we want to feel welcome. I don't have a magic bullet or answer for that overall issue, but when we're considering adding more buttons, i want to mind the first rule of holes. (When you find yourself in one, stop digging.)

[TheOrgg]

I think we're on the same page. I'm the guy that was stringently for editing Updog's artwork so we don't offend new users.

Onto other things, digging around, these seem to be the most highly regarded artworks for the Amber characters, the French Terot deck. https://www.onirym.fr/Une-vision-d-Ambre/Illustrations/Illustrations-de-Florence-Magnin.html

I'm going to try and get high resolution versions, as those there look pretty bad.

[TheOrgg]

@blackshadowshade This is a bit of a jumble, but this is the thread-of-things-that-can-be-added. The ones I really would like to see are Ponies and Scott Pilgrim, and I'm sure old players would like the Amber set, too.

[blackshadowshade]

Did we ever resolve the image issue for the Amber set? (as in, copyright, which images we're going to use)

[TheOrgg]

I haven't had time. It's hard to get copies of that deck in good quality. Apparently there was a kickstarter for it, though, so I should take another look.

[PoshFrosh]

Has any thought been given to adding Venn (and perhaps the other buttons from the math set) that Nonce created? I'd love to play Venn in particular on the prd site! https://buttonmen.fandom.com/wiki/The_Math_Set