[REQ] KETTLER TM support

[gguman]

Hello @cagnulein, thank you for your work!!!

As far as I know, the incline of Kettler treadmills cannot be changed from Zwift. Could you help add support for this vendor to your ideal app please

there are some speed up, speed down, incline up and down

Sincerely, All owners of TM Ketller

[cagnulein]

hi in the log provided did you change the inclination from the manufacturer app?

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[gguman]

hi in the log provided did you change the inclination from the manufacturer app?

Yes, incline was changed from Kinomap and TM angle changed. At the start I've changed the speed up and down, after that I've changed incline up and down

[cagnulein]

perfect i will check this tomorrow !

Il giorno lun 15 mag 2023 alle 17:21 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

inclination Yes, incline was changed from Kinomap and TM angle changed. At the start I've changed the speed up and down, after that I've changed incline up and down

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[gguman]

perfect i will check this tomorrow !

Thank you. Will be waiting

[cagnulein]

hi @gguman I checked the log and it seems that the android phone that you used to collect the logs is cutting the frames. Do you have another android device?

[gguman]

Do you have another android device?

Don't have. Is there any app to save logs or what else can i do?

[gguman]

@cagnulein , could you check this log please? I've created it with adb. Inside should be commands to change incline up and down

[cagnulein]

perfect! this worked! I will add this in the next days!

[gguman]

Good news. Waiting!) Maybe someone will find it useful - How to get the Bluetooth Host Controller Interface logs from a modern Android phone

[cagnulein]

@gguman just a last information: could you please attach a screenshot from the nrfconnect app showing the services and the characteristics of this treadmill ? Thanks! I already started the implementation, I'm just missing these informations

[cagnulein]

@cagnulein , could you check this log please? I've created it with adb. Inside should be commands to change incline up and down:

btsnoop_hci.log

also could you the same for the speed changes?

[gguman]

nrfconnect app showing the services and the characteristics of this treadmill

Could you provide an example of the screen plz? Haven't used this app before

[cagnulein]

sure @gguman https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/issues/690#issuecomment-1550247292

[gguman]

[gguman]

@cagnulein, are these enough?

[cagnulein]

yes @gguman i guess so, let me continue the implementation. did you also check my question here https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/issues/1465#issuecomment-1549256158 ?

[cagnulein]

@gguman nevermind i already found the information that I need. I'm adding it!

[cagnulein]

done! send me an email to roberto.viola83 at gmail.com indicating this ticket and if you are on android or iOS and I will send you the new beta. Thanks

[gguman]

did you also check my question here #1465 (comment)

Do you still need this info? Can't reproduce speed control at the moment...

[cagnulein]

no, I don't need it because I guess it has classic FTMS control mode, this is what I implemented now. Remember to send me the email to have access to the private beta if you aren't on it already

[gguman]

@cagnulein, thank for your work. 2.13.46:

1. start/stop TM - didn't work
2. speed up/down - ok
3. inclination - both buttons (- and +) decrease inclanation by different amount

[cagnulein]

great! what do you mean about a different amount? could you please create a debug log https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/wiki/How-do-i-get-the-debug-log-in-case-something-doesn't-work%3F ?

[gguman]

I meant that both buttons - plus and minus in the app of the area "inclination" - decrease inclination. Expected behavior - plus=increase, minus=decrease Debug log can create a bit later

[cagnulein]

ok it should be easy to fix with a debug log thanks

Il giorno mer 17 mag 2023 alle 13:39 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

I meant that both buttons - plus and minus in the app of the area "inclination" - decrease inclination. Expected behavior - plus=increase, minus=decrease Debug log can create a bit later

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[gguman]

If I correctly understand the instruction then debug below: debug-Wed_May_17_16_50_57_2023.log

[cagnulein]

hi @gguman you did right but you didn't replicate the issue here (i don't see any pressure in the inclination tile). could you please generate it again?

[gguman]

@cagnulein, could you check this one. First I tried to start TM from QZ without success then I started TM from button on it, second I tried to increase incline from QZ without success then I set incline 6% from TM after that I press buttons + and - from QZ and both of them decreased incline: debug-Wed_May_17_18_19_22_2023.log

https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/assets/17738160/3d0aa3c2-b1e2-484c-b67a-7f3860b5ff7f

[cagnulein]

ok i guess i got the issue: does your treadmill has only the integer inclination or also support 0.5 increments via bluetooth?

Il giorno mer 17 mag 2023 alle 17:34 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

@cagnulein https://github.com/cagnulein, could you check this one: debug-Wed_May_17_18_19_22_2023.log https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/files/11500101/debug-Wed_May_17_18_19_22_2023.log

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[gguman]

Inclination changing by 0.5% for each press button on TM. incrementing via bluetooth can't check at now

[cagnulein]

ok i guess I got the issue, your treadmill doesn't follow the FTMS standard :D the developer of the firmware probably was drunk when it writes it :D anyway I will fix this tomorrow

[gguman]

I will fix this tomorrow

Glad to hear it!) Once more thing - I don't know is it in tie with the problem that you fixing or this is a OCR problem - I've tried to run with this instruction on Android (it is perfect scheme) but TM incline don't match with incline in Zwift. As example - when Zwift change incline from 0% to 1% then TM (via QZ) change incline from 0% to 1%, but when Zwift incline from 1% to 2% then TM incline changing from 1% to 0%. When incline in Zwift is negative value then TM triyng to incline to this absolute value. And there are a lot of mistakes of inclines while my attempt. It will be easy to say that TM incline almost always don't match with Zwift but... connection is working and incline changing!!!

I'm really hope that you can solve these problems. Ping me if you need my assist

[cagnulein]

it's exactly what i'm seeing in the log @gguman it seems that your treadmill sends some random values for the inclination.

what i would like to check tomorrow is reading your hci snoof and check if there are 30 steps. if so i can match the inclination values otherwise i need another hci snoof with the all 30 steps (maybe you can keep a pause from one step to another)

does it make sense to you?

[gguman]

does it make sense to you?

Sorry, don't understand but can assist if it will be needed and will be supported by instructions)

[cagnulein]

ok let me summarize tomorrow the logs and i will explain it better

have a nice evening!

Il giorno mer 17 mag 2023 alle 21:21 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

does it make sense to you?

Sorry, don't understand but can assist if it will be needed and supported by instructions)

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[cagnulein]

ok @gguman could you please create a debug log from qz where you change the inclination step by step (0.5) from the treadmill directly? I would like to see if QZ reports the inclination correctly on the inclination tile. If so, as I assume, I can do the modification, otherwise I need the debug log to understand how the treadmill sends the inclination. Let me know

[gguman]

@cagnulein, I've changed incline from 0% to 12% (max for my model of TM) by step 0.5% for each 5 sec. After that I've return incline from 12% to 0% by the same strategy. Value of the incline in the QZ was equal the one in the TM thru the test. Log file attached: debug-Thu_May_18_12_20_56_2023.log

[cagnulein]

perfect @gguman I'm doing the mod about your treadmill control crazyness :D I should be ready to test it later today

[cagnulein]

2.13.47 released with the possible fix, let me know when you will try it!

[gguman]

Updated. When incline between 3.0% and 8.0% - QZ edit incline correctly. When incline less than or equal 3% - step of decreasing 1.0% and increasing incline don't work. When incline greater or equal 8% - neither decreasing nor increasing not work. About Zwift autoincline - the problems still there debug-Thu_May_18_18_00_52_2023.log

[cagnulein]

confirmed, the software guy that wrote the firmware of this treadmill was completely drunk. At this point I need a new hcisniff file where you're changing all the way the inclination, as you did here https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/issues/1465#issuecomment-1552792461 but using kinomap (or the same app that you used here https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/issues/1465#issuecomment-1548533412 ): i'm assuming that kinomap works well, isn't it?

[gguman]

Interesting... changing incline from Kinomap and Kinni are incorrect. Let me investigate this with TM vendor

[cagnulein]

@gguman ok everything is clear so. it means that your treadmill has a custom calibration. maybe you can find it in the manual

[gguman]

There are nothing about calibration in the manual

[cagnulein]

ok so try to contact the manufacturer. we can also test all the values but it would be a big job :)

Il giorno gio 18 mag 2023 alle 21:07 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

There are nothing about calibration in the manual

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[gguman]

@cagnulein , bad news. The manufacturer replied - "an interactive connection between the app and the treadmill (so that the gradient changes depending on the landscape) is not possible and not intended" I made a video with the process of inclining from the Kinomap application. Can the process in your application be improved? kettler track s4 with kinomap app

[cagnulein]

yes simply provide me a hcisnoof using the kinomap app and change the inclination from the kinomap directly from 0 to max and to 0 again leaving 5 sec between each steps

Let me know!

Il giorno sab 20 mag 2023 alle 09:04 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

@cagnulein https://github.com/cagnulein , bad news. The manufacturer replied - "an interactive connection between the app and the treadmill (so that the gradient changes depending on the landscape) is not possible and not intended" I made a video with the process of inclining from the Kinomap application. Can the process in your application be improved? kettler track s4 with kinomap app https://youtu.be/bdf1pfiuQwo

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[gguman]

Done. One more thing - model of my TM is Track S4 and it has max incline 12%, but Kinomap use 15% as max value. Mb this info can help. The process of inclining I share on youtube - https://youtu.be/bdf1pfiuQwo

[cagnulein]

perfect! i will check this later today! thanks!

Il giorno sab 20 mag 2023 alle 09:55 gguman @.***> ha scritto:

Done. One more thing - model of my TM is Track S4 and it has max incline 12%, but Kinomap use 15% as max value. Mb this info can help btsnoop_hci.log https://github.com/cagnulein/qdomyos-zwift/files/11521842/btsnoop_hci.log

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[gguman]

Thank you. Pls ping me if you need my assist

[gguman]

my TM is Track S4 and it has max incline 12%

and each step of incline is 0.5%