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Default sources.list file has source packages enabled by default #2169

Closed ubuntu-server-builder closed 1 year ago

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

This bug was originally filed in Launchpad as LP: #74747

Launchpad details 
affected_projects = ['apt-setup (Ubuntu)', 'cloud-init (Ubuntu)', 'apt-setup (Ubuntu Xenial)', 'cloud-init (Ubuntu Xenial)', 'apt-setup (Ubuntu Bionic)', 'cloud-init (Ubuntu Bionic)', 'apt-setup (Ubuntu Cosmic)', 'cloud-init (Ubuntu Cosmic)']
assignee = smoser
assignee_name = Scott Moser
date_closed = 2018-12-13T20:22:44.319847+00:00
date_created = 2006-12-07T02:54:11.890275+00:00
date_fix_committed = 2018-10-04T18:20:19.821143+00:00
date_fix_released = 2018-12-13T20:22:44.319847+00:00
id = 74747
importance = medium
is_complete = True
lp_url = https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/74747
milestone = None
owner = smoser
owner_name = Scott Moser
private = False
status = fix_released
submitter = laptop006
submitter_name = LapTop006
tags = []
duplicates = [224163, 830271]

Launchpad user LapTop006(laptop006) wrote on 2006-12-07T02:54:11.890275+00:00

The default sources.list file has source packages enabled by default, this is bad for the average user (especially those on modems) because they are very unlikely to use source packages, however they will still have the download overhead of the packages list.

For most people the deb-src lines could simply be commented out by default.

(Bug reported at the behest of Robert Collins)

Implementing this would probably invalidate bug 301602. See also bug 987264.

Mailing list discussion: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-May/thread.html#14503 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-July/thread.html#14617

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Robert Collins(lifeless) wrote on 2006-12-07T03:40:00.652735+00:00

I'm not sure what sets the package lists - I suspect ubuiqity...

I thought this was a very good point when it was raised to me, which is why I encouraged this bug to be filed.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user LapTop006(laptop006) wrote on 2006-12-07T11:48:32.312514+00:00

I reported against apt as it was the one package I saw that tried to create a sources.list, but yes, the initial list on Ubuntu probably does come from somewhere else.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Colin Watson(cjwatson) wrote on 2007-06-06T10:21:40.078703+00:00

I don't agree with changing this. I recognise that there is an extra download cost involved (which I would point out is only something like 30% of the cost of downloading the indices for binary packages), but I think this is offset by our ability to simplify documentation of certain intermediate topics that involve downloading source packages as a result.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Wouter Stomp(wouterstomp-deactivatedaccount) wrote on 2009-07-07T12:07:18.783841+00:00

Colin, that could be easily circumvented by automatically enabling the source repositories when you first use "apt-get source" or any other program to get a source package. The download cost is pretty high (several mb's each time), especially for people on slow connections. The percentage of people actually using them is probably very low.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Colin Watson(cjwatson) wrote on 2009-07-07T13:41:51+00:00

'apt-get source' and similar operations typically run as non-root users. 'apt-get update' needs to run as root.

If somebody wants to improve apt somehow, definitely be my guest, but I'm not going to put the cart before the horse.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Wouter Stomp(wouterstomp-deactivatedaccount) wrote on 2009-07-07T14:00:49.441499+00:00

If ran as non-root user it could just simply display a message how to enable the source repositories. I think that simple change is well worth the the many mb's of bandwidth saved for millions of users.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Colin Watson(cjwatson) wrote on 2009-07-07T14:20:40+00:00

Feel free to discuss this with the apt maintainers. However, we plan to address the bandwidth concerns separately with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/rsync-based-deb-downloads, so I'm not that worried about the bandwidth question at the moment. I would much rather deliver a system that's as useful as possible out of the box with no additional configuration, so this option is preferable to me.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Scott Ritchie(scottritchie) wrote on 2009-07-16T09:56:26.057568+00:00

Yeah Colin, but you (and the rest of us) are developers who actually care about the source packages ;)

Regardless, the reality of the situation is that the mirrors themselves are clogged; cutting out Sources.gz from the download list of every user doesn't just save them a 4 megabytes to download, it means that everyone else on the mirror gets their Packages.gz that much quicker. More importantly, this bandwidth and time is saved on that all important first use experience.

Now that we have System->Administration->Software Sources, reenabling the package source repos is very easy, moreso then even installing build-essential.

So, anyway, I suggest commenting it out by default. Small sacrifice for us devs ;)

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Colin Watson(cjwatson) wrote on 2009-07-16T10:47:10+00:00

Actually developers like me who are already familiar with the distribution aren't my concern; it's all the cases where documentation says "first go and edit /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get source ...". I feel that an ethically important part of free software is making it trivial for people to get source code even if they aren't familiar with the way the particular distribution they're using is put together. Although I do concede your point that Software Sources makes it easier than it used to be.

Can we defer this discussion until after zsync (or whatever) is implemented please? I don't intend to do anything precipitous until after that anyway.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Scott Ritchie(scottritchie) wrote on 2009-07-16T11:44:16.261156+00:00

That does sound reasonable Colin.

As an aside, we might also want to look into the error message apt-get source spews out if you have commented out source lines: if that told you to check software sources then very few people would ever be left scratching their head...

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Colin Watson(cjwatson) wrote on 2009-07-16T12:45:28+00:00

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:44:16AM -0000, Scott Ritchie wrote:

As an aside, we might also want to look into the error message apt-get source spews out if you have commented out source lines: if that told you to check software sources then very few people would ever be left scratching their head...

I agree, that'd be good. Perhaps somebody could file a separate bug against apt for that? If that were fixed I'd be willing to change the defaults ...

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Dmitry Shachnev(mitya57) wrote on 2013-06-16T15:48:26.541552+00:00

Note that nowadays we have pull-lp-source, which does the same job as apt-get source, but does not rely on having Deb-Src entries in sources.list.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Usama Akkad(damascene) wrote on 2016-01-28T17:52:51.965770+00:00

New discussion started today in 2016 on Ubuntu Development Discussion mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-January/016150.html

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Dimitri John Ledkov(xnox) wrote on 2016-01-28T20:34:30.306350+00:00

I disagree.

1) non-root users can fetch source packages with pull-lp-source 2) non-root users can fetch source packages with chdist 3) ubuntu users buy pre-installed IoT, routers, phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers, clouds, mainframes 4) For fast majority of ubuntu users, the concept and religion of free software is valuable 5) But most of them do not practice their rights.

Yes, pulling source and rebuilding a package is nice. From commandline, which one needs to know how to use... And to do it probably, one will be doing it in sbuild anyway.

I find it ironic that most of Ubuntu products have sources disabled, including launchpad builders, yet the "default" is enabled by default. In practice, it really only needs to be enabled on developer machines which by definition is always less than the number of installations.

This is the same sort of logic, where "obvious" seems to end up as default. E.g. default ubuntu archive location is ports.ubuntu.com because majority of architectures are hosted there, with amd64 & i386 as an exception. yet in plenty of configs i see default set to archive.ubuntu.com with 5 overrides stating that it should be ports.ubuntu.com. Whilst we provide sources by default, it's an opt-in behavior of an installed machine, which requires an interactive user, with a highly specialized knowledge to perform the operation.

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Launchpad Janitor(janitor) wrote on 2016-01-29T00:25:43.698955+00:00

This bug was fixed in the package apt-setup - 1:0.104ubuntu3

apt-setup (1:0.104ubuntu3) xenial; urgency=high

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Server Team CI bot(server-team-bot) wrote on 2018-10-04T18:20:17.812162+00:00

This bug is fixed with commit d3e803ad to cloud-init on branch master. To view that commit see the following URL: https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/commit/?id=d3e803ad

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Launchpad Janitor(janitor) wrote on 2018-10-10T00:14:58.256329+00:00

This bug was fixed in the package cloud-init - 18.4-5-g6ee8a2c5-0ubuntu1

cloud-init (18.4-5-g6ee8a2c5-0ubuntu1) cosmic; urgency=medium

ubuntu-server-builder commented 1 year ago

Launchpad user Ryan Harper(raharper) wrote on 2018-12-13T20:22:47.620500+00:00

This bug is believed to be fixed in cloud-init in version 18.5. If this is still a problem for you, please make a comment and set the state back to New

Thank you.