Open captn3m0 opened 3 years ago
@captn3m0 not entirely sure what you are asking, but there is a table for every chart that we show on small screens. It is statically part of the page and just hidden with css on larger screens.
See this example:
Perhaps there are some things we can do to make it more visible for people using assistive devices?
I like the PHP example and we are looking at doing something similar for special LTS release pages soon.
The web team doesn't maintain the wiki, but I can ask the release team about it.
For https://endoflife.date/ubuntu what do you need? are you scraping a page of ours?
I did notice the HTML tables while opening the page without javascript, but there are two issues:
(2) is the core concern here - this information is nowhere present in text format anywhere. As an example, Ubuntu 14.04 was:
Of these, the "April 2016" date is missing from the table both on https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle as well as the Wiki.
For https://endoflife.date/ubuntu what do you need?
Just a table that includes the following for every release:
Right now, we only get 1,3,4.
are you scraping a page of ours?
Not scraping, just monitoring. Ubuntu's release schedule is easy to track :+1:
For the release team: I might be wrong, but I don't think the Release+2 years policy for "Hardware and maintenance updates" policy is publicly documented. The /Releases wiki page notes:
Support length
- Regular releases are supported for 9 months.
- Packages in main and restricted are supported for 5 years in long term support (LTS) releases. Flavors generally support their packages for 3 years in LTS releases but there are exceptions. See the release notes for specific details.
So the actual "Hardware and maintenance updates" v/s "Maintenance updates" split ends up being documented nowhere. It would be nice to have an explanation for what the split means for users.
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not stale.
On a related note, as (reported here by @witchcraze), the Ubuntu Wiki switched from noting the end of "maintenance updates" date as End of life to using ESM EoL dates.
Such changes impact trust in the Ubuntu brand.
There's still too much undocumented information, as well as inaccessible information (the table is still not visible on desktops).
Another related issue noticed today. The support date for 18.04 got extended to May 31st 2023 from April 2023.
But the Wiki page hasn't been updated accordingly. Having a single consolidated page will avoid such issues.
Hi @captn3m0, we recently overhauled https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle. This included changes to what information is being displayed and including the table on desktop views. Can you confirm if this issue has been addressed? And if has not, specify what changes you are still inspecting and we can get the work scheduled.
Thanks for the ping. The current version is substantially better from when this issue was opened. I still have a few pending concerns:
I don't have suggestions since I don't know how the information split between the Wiki and website is decided. But any information-category (such as support information) that is duplicated between the wiki and website causes confusion to end-users. Users should be redirect to the canonical 😀 page, and potentially the Wiki could be used to hold "extra" information (such as exact release dates, announcements, list of completely EOL releases etc).
@captn3m0 We can definitely take a look at the issues highlighted on https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle, and I will create an issue in our backlog to address this. But we are not responsible for updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases, so the best I can do is communicate these concerns.
Page: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
This is the only page on the whole Ubuntu ecosystem that provides accurate information about the different "Hardware and maintenance updates"/"Maintenance updates" timelines for various releases.
Every other page:
does not provide this split and instead showcases ESM EoL as the End-of-Life. For the majority of Ubuntu users, the end of maintenance updates is when their release goes EoL - however every page on the Wiki uses incorrect terminology.
Not every user will understand that (on the Wiki):
As a result, the only page providing accurate information is https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle. However, that has a huge accessibility concern in that the information is only provided in graph format. As a user, the most common question for me on that page is:
Neither of these can be easily answered.
Recommendations:
Filing this since I maintain https://endoflife.date/ubuntu, and Ubuntu has gotten worse in how it communicates this information across.