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With StenoTutor you can learn to stenotype on your QWERTY keyboard
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"Into" item hint is wrong #2

Open mighele opened 11 years ago

mighele commented 11 years ago

On the "into" item, the hint shows me that I must press "EUT", but this is incorrect. The steno for "into" is "TPHAO".

DanLanglois commented 11 years ago

My chord for 'into' is SPWAO. This is arbitrary, and allows phrasing, such as 'into it', 'into the', 'into his', 'into an', 'into account'. That is, these phrases are all one-stroke for me. This is one traditional way to handle it, the larger point being about the concept of briefs and arbitraries, these are ubiquitous, and there are different theories, etc. Some discussion of this might be included in stenotutor documentation, but it's also a large subject to wade into, the subject of theory.

mighele commented 11 years ago

Good point, there may be multiple ways to write "into". What I was getting at is that the prompt said that into is written as "EUT", which with Plover's default dictionary, writes "it", not "into". So someone using StenoTutor to learn will see the prompt, write "it" and have to look elsewhere for the way to write "into".

caru commented 11 years ago

I cannot find where "into" is defined as "EUT". In common_words lesson "into" is defined as "EUPB/TO", which is correct. Do you confirm? This may still cause issues to newbies because currently only the first chord of each word is highlighted on the keyboard. This is known issue as pointed out in README.md

mighele commented 11 years ago

Hi caru.

My mistake. It is defined as EUPB/TO. I only saw the first stroke highlighted and thought it was giving me incorrect instructions for writing "into".

This is a correct way of spelling "into" but I think it would be more helpful for beginners if it gave them a shorter form like "TPHAO". Writing it in only one stroke will help them out in the long run.

caru commented 11 years ago

Thanks, I asked on Plover group for advice from more experienced stenographers on whether it is better to keep EUPB/TO or change it.

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Hi caru.

My mistake. It is defined as EUPB/TO. I only saw the first stroke highlighted and thought it was giving me incorrect instructions for writing "into".

This is a correct way of spelling "into" but I think it would be more helpful for beginners if it gave them a shorter form like "TPHAO". Writing it in only one stroke will help them out in the long run.

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caru commented 11 years ago

Ok, I will change "into" to a brief.

Thanks also to Daniel for the info about double words in one stroke!

I also found the discussion on plover group about this very interesting: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ploversteno/XUZezyNPgM0

That discussion lead me to consider a new feature, which I also posted there: "Mirabai, yes I noticed the category dictionary some time ago, it's very cool, and I thought that it would be useful for StenoTutor someday, and I am actually thinking about using it together with plover dictionary to show all alternative definitions together with their category in addition to the lesson definition. This would make the learning process more interactive, and let everyone decide what's best to memorize for them. I think this would be especially useful in steno where there appear to be dozens of theories and sub-theories, and millions of different personal preferences."

Let me know if you have ideas about this or any thoughts you want to share.