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[Needs Research] Pet getting hungry in arena #2055

Open Jumpka opened 8 years ago

Jumpka commented 8 years ago

Right now, pet gets hungry if arena match is long. I couldn't find any info about that from retail, but again, if the pet didn't get hungry during arena match I don't see a reason why there would be any comment about that, but I definitely could see people complaining about it if it was the other way around, since to feed him both you and your pet have to be out of combat. Maybe someone has some video that could prove this (some very long hunter match???) or the other way around, a video where you can see the pet get hungry.

Doppelmoral commented 8 years ago

I'm positive pet happiness/loyalty shouldn't decrease in Arena and BGs. Imagine in BGs like AV where your pet is bound to die dozen of times in a single match ....

ccshiro commented 8 years ago

@Doppelmoral iirc happiness of your pet is restored in BGs when you get ressed by a spirit healer.

joovah commented 8 years ago

from the wowwiki page related to pet happiness (http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Mood) "Things that make a pet lose happiness are: -Just standing around Your pet will lose happiness at a steady rate over time. The loss has been reported to be about 50 happiness in 6 minutes. -Dismiss Pet This action makes the pet lose 50 happiness. -Dying It has been reported that the death of a pet causes a loss of 350 happiness. -Abandon When you go out of range of your pet (either while it is in combat or you made it Stay) and it disappears, it loses 10 happiness. Hunters can use this rather than Dismiss Pet as it loses less happiness. -Not helping There are suggestions that letting a pet kill a mob on its own while not helping will cause the pet to lose happiness." it doesn't say anything about fighting/taking damage/whatever the pet might do in arena and battelgrounds most of the time.

also, as shiro already said, in this guide they talk about pet gaining happiness in bg: "bear in mind that whenever you are resurrected in a BG, your pet gains a ton of happiness. Playing a pet in BGs is an easy way of keeping him happy." "You can also use restoration power-ups in BGs to improve pet happiness. " " keeping your pet happy is easy through BGs because everytime you resurrect or hit a restoration powerup, your pet gains happiness." " when you res, your pet will also res with full happiness even if it was dead" scrolling down this guide i couldn't find proofs of happiness drop in arenas http://forums.filefront.com/world-warcraft-general-discussion/366951-tbc-hunters-pvp-guide.html (23 jun 2008)

hope this can be helpful

Ainulatac commented 8 years ago

Pets were killed continuously, ressed and killed again aswell as dismissed due to going out of range.from the player. You can't feed them in combat.

Therefore hunters would be too gimped comparing to other classes, basicly wouldn't have sense a hunter unable to use his pet because he lost it. Which simply would be due to a mechanic inherited from Vanilla when they didn't consider arenas.

You already said the fix they added to BGs which also came after the happiness mechanic but way before arenas. Difference is in BGs you could still feed your pet due to the scenario, so if you didn't die still could avoid loosing it. On the other hand you can't do that in arenas due to the different playstyle of scenario.

Not to say the fact of loosing a pet for a hunter.

I assume hunter's pets just do not loose happiness while in arenas, just like you don't loose durability when killed by a player, and for the same reasons, PvP without any of those would be inconcebible.

I think it's worth noting tho, the necessity for pets to keep following their target up to dismissal range if the owner doesn't retreat it, it's an important feature that adds to the Blizzlike skilled PvP, it's an useful tool I used many times to get rid of warlocks pets, it's true tho that they are way more gimped by this mechanic than hunters since they can't just whistle and have it back with them, but it's how it used to be and how it should be.

And yes, I did many 1hr+ arenas vs hunter druid, they didn't loose their pets. Obviously I'm not providing "proof links" rather than explaining the reasoning behind it, imho. I'm sure there is footage/comments on arenas lasting 1hr+ with hunters involved and doubt any say they lost their pet.

Hope this helps!