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Standard names: *Propose a new physical parameter for net radiation at surface* #237

Closed YueLi92 closed 6 days ago

YueLi92 commented 1 week ago

CMIP7 Land & Land Ice Data Request Author Team Net radiation flux at the surface Proposer's name: Yue Li Date: Nov 13, 2024

Based on the recent literature, https://gmd.copernicus.org/articles/17/1869/2024/, there is no standard name to represent the net radiation flux at the surface (should be identical to the sum of the net shortwave radiation and net longwave radiation at the surface). This would be important for the L&LI data request opportunity.

Please find the proposed new standard names of net radiation at the surface below. Thank you!

srfrad, surface_net_radiation_flux, W m-2 Net radiative flux at the surface

github-actions[bot] commented 1 week ago

Thank you for your proposal. These terms will be added to the cfeditor (http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1) shortly. Your proposal will then be reviewed and commented on by the community and Standard Names moderator.

JonathanGregory commented 1 week ago

@YueLi92. Thanks for your posting. Actually there is a standard name surface_net_downward_radiative_flux, which is the sum of surface_net_downward_shortwave_flux and surface_net_downward_longwave_flux. Is that what you mean?

YueLi92 commented 1 week ago

@JonathanGregory Yes, thank you. It is what I need. But it does not have a short variable name in the Data Request database. So I propose a short name "srfrad" in the Airtable. This case can be closed now.

taylor13 commented 6 days ago

this is outside the responsibility of CF, but past experience suggests that rather than requesting net radiation, you should instead request the upwelling and downwelling SW and LW flux components. This provides a much richer opportunity for analysis (e.g., enabling evaluation of the surface albedo. For an energy budget analysis of the ice, you would also need, of course, the latent and sensible heat flux components. Bottom line is that I would suggest replacing the net radiative flux with all of the surface heat flux components, rather than the sum of a few of them.

YueLi92 commented 6 days ago

@taylor13 Thank you. We actually got feedback from the modeling center that requiring all the shortwave, longwave downward and upward radiation is very tedious especially for 3hr output. The output will occupy a significant storage space. Thus, we only require a full set of radiation output as the priority 2 rather than priority 1, due to the storage consideration.

JonathanGregory commented 6 days ago

Thanks for your replies, @YueLi92. If I understand you correctly, you don't need a new standard name, because you can use surface_net_downward_radiative_flux. You do want a CMIP short name for the quantity, but that's not something CF can help with. If that's all correct then, as you say, we can close this issue now.

YueLi92 commented 6 days ago

You're correct. This issue can be closed now. Thanks.