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Dear Karl @taylor13
I would favour keeping the existing standard names, and to modify the guidance in the way you suggest. I think that area fraction should be regarded as an intensive quantity, which can be averaged over any area or area type.
Cheers
Jonathan
Dear @japamment et al., There seems to be no objection to clarifying (and making less restrictive) the definition of the standard_name "area_fraction". Could we change it to read:
"Area fraction" is the fraction of a grid cell's horizontal area that has some
characteristic of interest. It is evaluated as the area of interest divided by the
grid cell area, or if the cell_methods restricts the evaluation to some portion of
that grid cell (e.g. "where sea_ice"), then it is the area of interest divided by the
area of the identified portion.
thanks, Karl
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Dear Karl @taylor13 and Jonathan @JonathanGregory,
Apologies for having overlooked this issue, and that my response is long overdue.
I have a few questions about the proposal.
I can see the benefit of extending the description of area_fraction to allow for fractions of portions of grid cells (identified by cell_methods using phrases such as "where sea_ice") and how this might apply to the melt pond example in CMIP6 data. For this usage, would the method part of cell_methods be "mean"? This would seem to make sense for describing the total area within a grid cell having a given characteristic divided by the total area of the identified portion. What cell_method was used in the CMIP6 data?
If "mean" is always the correct cell_method to use for an area_fraction then I think we should include a statement to that effect in the standard name description.
Also, is the intention that the proposed change should be applied to all X_area_fraction standard names? It seems to me that it should.
Best wishes, Alison
In common usage of area_fraction, I think "mean" is often the appropriate method for the spatial dimension, but not necessarily the time dimension, and in general I can imagine that sometimes "standard_deviation" or some other cell method would be called for.
I agree that the description should apply to all X_area_fraction standard names.
Hi @japamment @taylor13,
Were there any agreed actions from this discussion?
Best wishes, Ellie
I think we should replace some (or all?) of the current descriptions of standard_names that include the text "area_fraction" with what I have written in https://github.com/cf-convention/vocabularies/issues/24#issuecomment-2255936782. I don't think there have been objections to that. I can help with whether it is "some" or "all" if we are in general agreement.
I agree with applying Karl's words.
Hi Karl @taylor13,
I agree this seems sensible. If you could help with identifying which names to apply this to, that would be much appreciated.
From the current version (v85) of the Standard Names table, I found the following names containing area_fraction
:
area_fraction
area_fraction_below_surface
area_fraction_of_day_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle
area_fraction_of_night_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle
area_fraction_of_twilight_defined_by_solar_zenith_angle
burned_area_fraction
clear_sky_area_fraction
cloud_area_fraction
cloud_area_fraction_in_atmosphere_layer
convective_cloud_area_fraction
convective_cloud_area_fraction_in_atmosphere_layer
floating_ice_shelf_area_fraction
fog_area_fraction
fraction_of_time_with_sea_ice_area_fraction_above_threshold
gross_rate_of_decrease_in_area_fraction
gross_rate_of_increase_in_area_fraction
grounded_ice_sheet_area_fraction
high_type_cloud_area_fraction
ice_cloud_area_fraction
ice_cloud_area_fraction_in_atmosphere_layer
isccp_cloud_area_fraction
land_area_fraction
land_ice_area_fraction
liquid_water_cloud_area_fraction
liquid_water_cloud_area_fraction_in_atmosphere_layer
low_type_cloud_area_fraction
medium_type_cloud_area_fraction
permafrost_area_fraction
sea_area_fraction
sea_ice_area_fraction
snow_area_fraction_viewable_from_above
stratiform_cloud_area_fraction
stratiform_cloud_area_fraction_in_atmosphere_layer
surface_snow_area_fraction
tendency_of_sea_ice_area_fraction_due_to_dynamics
tendency_of_sea_ice_area_fraction_due_to_ridging
tendency_of_sea_ice_area_fraction_due_to_thermodynamics
vegetation_area_fraction
There are also three accepted (but not yet published) names in the CF editor with this term:
modis_ice_topped_cloud_area_fraction
(#52) modis_liquid_topped_cloud_area_fraction
(#52) modis_cloud_area_fraction
(#52) Best wishes, Ellie
Thanks for the list. I think the following text should be included in the description of all the above standard names.
"Area fraction" is the fraction of a grid cell's horizontal area that has some
characteristic of interest. It is evaluated as the area of interest divided by the
grid cell area, or if the cell_methods restricts the evaluation to some portion of
that grid cell (e.g. "where sea_ice"), then it is the area of interest divided by the
area of the identified portion.
best, Karl
Hi @taylor13,
Thank you for your reply and for re-posting the text. This has replaced the original definition of area_fraction
in all above names and has been added to the accepted names relating to MODIS variables.
The rest of the definition was unchanged and so the full text reads as follows: _"Area fraction" is the fraction of a grid cell's horizontal area that has some characteristic of interest. It is evaluated as the area of interest divided by the grid cell area, or if the cell_methods restricts the evaluation to some portion of that grid cell (e.g. "where sea_ice"), then it is the area of interest divided by the area of the identified portion. It may be expressed as a fraction, a percentage, or any other dimensionless representation of a fraction. To specify which area is quantified by a variable with standard name area_fraction, provide a coordinate variable or scalar coordinate variable with standard name area_type. Alternatively, if one is defined, use a more specific standard name of X_areafraction for the fraction of horizontal area occupied by X.
I have also amended the definition of the phrase area_fraction
in the CF phrasebank to the above text.
Are there any other actions from this issue that need to be highlighted?
Best, Ellie
Thanks Ellie. The above looks fine. To be sure, I assume the full description above would only be used for the stand-alone area_fraction
, not all the other "area fraction" standard names (since the last 2 sentences in the description would not generally apply). Right?
Hi @taylor13,
That is correct - the full description is only applied to area_fraction
.
Best, Ellie
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In the descriptions of standard names that include the string "area_fraction", the guidance provided includes the following:
This seems to rule out defining such fractions as the area of interest divided by the area of some portion of the grid cell (e.g., the area of snow on sea ice divided by the area of sea ice, which in general differs from the area of snow in a grid cell divided by the area of the grid cell).
This is a problem that has cropped up in CMIP where, for example, the fraction of sea ice area covered by melt ponds was incorrectly assigned the standard name area_fraction. According to the guidance for area_fraction, the variable should be interpreted as fraction of grid cell area covered by melt ponds, not fraction of sea ice area covered by melt ponds.
In order to accommodate fractions of some portion of a grid cell (rather than the entire grid cell), we might adopt one of the following:
partial_area_fraction
. (This idea was suggested to me by @martinjuckes.)I initially favored Martin's suggestion, but now realize that there are a number of other standard names that include the string "area_fraction" (
surface_snow_area_fraction
,tendency_of_sea_ice_area_fraction_due_to_thermodynamics
, and many more), which also might need a second standard name with "area_fraction" replaced by "partial_area_fraction". Another virtue of the second option is that the mistake in using area_fraction in CMIP would be corrected by relaxing the restriction that the fraction's divisor should be the full grid cell area.