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Standard names: 'land water' equivalents #48

Closed lhmarsden closed 3 months ago

lhmarsden commented 5 months ago

Hi,

This is not a typical request for a new CF standard name to be added. My understanding is that new standard names are added 'reactively' rather than 'proactively' based on what is requested. This is more of a 'proactive' request.

There are a lot of ...sea_water... CF standard names. I am aware of some scientists who take measurements of lake or river water. I suspect these communities are not yet so engaged in the CF community since I can't find equivalent standard names for 'land' water.

Do you think the CF community should be proactive in adding equivalents for terrestrial science? I suspect the wording of the names and descriptions should be very similar - probably in most cases swapping 'sea_water' to 'land_water'. I have selected 'land_water' as it is consistent with 'land_ice' used in other standard names, and I see one standard name land_water_amount.

In my experience it takes a quite enthusiastic scientist to propose a new standard_name, particularly if they are new to NetCDF files. Maybe this more pro-active approach could be helpful if feasible in this case?

Luke

github-actions[bot] commented 5 months ago

Thank you for your proposal. These terms will be added to the cfeditor (http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1) shortly. Your proposal will then be reviewed and commented on by the community and Standard Names moderator.

larsbarring commented 4 months ago

Hi Luke,

There have been several request related to to lake vs. sea over recent years (search issues for the keyword "lake") . Some have generated extensive discussions, e.g. cf-convention/vocabularies#25, without reaching consensus. Maybe the recent cf-convention/vocabularies#65 can solve at least some of these needs. But I think that your question/request has a more general aspect, and that is how existing standard names can evolve when -- or coexist with -- new communities that bring in new aspects and needs. I think this is something to discuss at the upcoming CF workshop in September. With this I am in no way trying to cut short the discussion here, rather to tell that comments here may help to lay the foundation for that discussion.

Kind regards, Lars

lhmarsden commented 4 months ago

Sounds like a plan. See you in September, then!

efisher008 commented 3 months ago

This issue relates to "proactive" standard name proposals for future use cases in terrestrial science, which forms part of active discussions in other current issues in the GitHub vocabularies repository (e.g. #25, #65 as mentioned by Lars). This will feed into conversations at the upcoming CF workshop 2024 in Norrköping, Sweden, and therefore for now the issue has been considered concluded. If there is a need to reopen the issue following the workshop, this will be done.