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The following would be useful to have in the beta:

- the log should contain more information:
  - date/time
  - sacd-ripper version
  - output format (ISO, mch DSDIFF (DSD), etc.)
- the log should reside inside the new directory (in order not to be 
overwritten)
- different directories should be created to distinguish at least between 
stereo and surround output (some folks may want to have both and at the moment 
a first set of files is overwritten by a second)

Maybe later it would also be possible to have:

- a different (customized?) naming scheme (e.g. I would prefer to have only the 
title in the file name, not the artist; also I think it would be best to have a 
directory "artist" with subdirectorie(s) "album")
- storage to network, so we don't have to fumble around with usb all the time

Original issue reported on code.google.com by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 12 Jun 2011 at 9:06

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Thanks for suggestions! Everything you mention in your suggestions I'll do 
before the beta, it's all minor.. All errors are currently logged, I do not 
have heaps of LOG_NOTICE messages, but I'll add the most important ones. 

> - a different (customized?) naming scheme (e.g. I would prefer to have only 
> the title in the file name, not the artist; also I think it would be best 
> to have a directory "artist" with subdirectorie(s) "album")

It's currently not configurable but it's easy to change, I have a special form 
of "printf" for that.. But the main ripping screen should probably be replaced 
with something proper so the user can change/save options, etc.. any suggestion 
is welcome!

> - storage to network, so we don't have to fumble around with usb all the time
Pushing and storing on NFS/SAMBA is possible but difficult to get right. 
Turning SACD-Ripper into a HTTP server where you can download the tracks from 
is the 'easiest'. What are your suggestions? Maybe we should vote on this..

Original comment by mr_wic...@hotmail.com on 12 Jun 2011 at 9:21

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> Pushing and storing on NFS/SAMBA is possible but difficult to get right. 
Turning
> SACD-Ripper into a HTTP server where you can download the tracks from is the
> 'easiest'. What are your suggestions? Maybe we should vote on this..

Personally I would prefer the first, because I wouldn't have to attach a usb 
hd, anymore. Though I have no idea how to do this on a PS3, I was hoping it was 
as easy as mapping a network drive in windows or performing a mount in linux...
Of course the second would also be very helpful.

Another thing, keyboard control would be nice. I can't find the "exit" key or 
the "options" key. But other than that it seems more user-friendly to control 
the app via keyboard, at least as soon as filnames etc. can be typed in, too.

About the naming scheme:
Do you by any chance now the CD ripping program "exact audio copy"?
I find this quite convenient. There is a default "create filenames 
automatically". With this it will create an artist folder and album folders 
inside containing the tracks. There are also advanced options, that one 
typically configures only once, where e.g. the composition of the filenames can 
be configured.

Original comment by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 12 Jun 2011 at 9:51

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Gave it a try and it worked!

Here are questions and a wishlist:
- an option to encode to flac (or selectable lossless codecs like apple 
lossless) directly would be very handy, including choosing options for sampling 
frequency (88/96/176/192 kHz @24bit). Including filling the appropriate 
tag-fields...
- writing to a network share would be great, but only, when this is easily 
configurable (somehow graphically browse the network and choose an output 
directory  - please think of the normal user!). Or auto-creating some sort of 
folder on the PS3's HD, that can be accessed via the network and mounted as a 
network folder on a windows computer.
- a GUI, where I can select, what tracks to rip and in which format (maybe even 
consecutively, both in stereo and multichannel)
- an option like "rip all tracks in both stereo and multichannel".

Questions: 

- how "stable" and "good" is this alpha in terms of sound-quality? I am not 
sure how to put it right, but are there any codecs involved, or (like with 
CD-ripping) any error-corrections, that could alter the quality of the file or 
the in any way? (hint: look how elaborately dbpoweramp or EAC try to rip a CD 
bitperfectly).
- what's the difference between the downloads/programs "Sacd-Ripper" and 
"Sacd-Ripper (geohot CFW)"? 
- What's the difference between the keys I found on the net (one was a 
zip-file, one a tar.gz and claimed to be "3.60") Does ot make any difference, 
which ones to use?

Great piece of software, that you got going there, keep up the work!

Original comment by d...@wegwerfemail.de on 1 Jul 2011 at 5:49

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Thank you for your suggestions.

>- how "stable" and "good" is this alpha in terms of sound-quality?
Ripping a CD is higher science.. SACD ripping is basically the raw reading of a 
data disc. The Blu-Ray drive will do the error correction and the re-reading of 
sectors it couldn't read. There is no higher science involved until the moment 
you start converting DSD to PCM.

> what's the difference between the downloads/programs "Sacd-Ripper" and 
"Sacd-Ripper (geohot CFW)"? 
For the OtherOS++ firmware there is no difference, both run the same.

>- What's the difference between the keys I found on the net (one was a 
zip-file, one a tar.gz and claimed to be "3.60") Does ot make any difference, 
which ones to use?
You need the 3.55 keys as the OtherOS++ version will be 3.55 as well.

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>- What's the difference between the keys I found on the net (one was a 
zip-file, one a tar.gz and claimed to be "3.60") Does ot make any difference, 
which ones to use?
You need the 3.55 keys as the OtherOS++ version will be 3.55 as well.

oooops, I did put both the 3.55 and the 3.60 files in the root of the 
USB-drive, there were three 3.55-files or so, that have been overwritten by 
3.60.
Extraction still works, anything I should do now to REALLY get all 3.55 on the 
PS3 - what could happen in the worst case with my current installation?

Original comment by d...@wegwerfemail.de on 1 Jul 2011 at 6:27

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>what could happen in the worst case with my current installation?
you are fine, SACD-Ripper checks for correct installation on startup.

Original comment by mr_wic...@hotmail.com on 1 Jul 2011 at 6:30

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Having had one issue so far, an error "8002B301" with the SACD "Pieter 
Wispelwey, Tchaikovsky/Saint-Saëns/Bruch", Channel Classics CCS SA 16501.
The SACD plays fine in the PS3, all layers are recognized, all tracks play. 
Just the ripper refuses the disc.
Any idea, why?

Btw.: is there a way to a.) deinstall the ripper and b.) to completely reset 
the PS3, so that no custom installations are there anymore - something like a 
clean&fresh reinstall of the Otheros++ ?

Original comment by d...@wegwerfemail.de on 1 Jul 2011 at 4:28

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i'm not sure for what you're talking about, but i'm getting HD 1080i output 
from my PS3 without HDCP or even using HDMI - i use cable like this one:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/pc-monitor-hdtv-vga-adapter-cable-for-ps3-wii-54585

to connect the PS3 to old 21" CRT monitor, which gives me excellent performance.

Original comment by sheridan...@hotmail.com on 2 Jul 2011 at 12:55

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@ Comment 5,
Good suggestions, I agree.
With the direct-to-flac rip functionality it would then also be desirable to 
prevent/remove the clicks (issue 6).

Original comment by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 2 Jul 2011 at 2:45

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hello all.
i've have a little suggestion, please, add possibility to convert from *.dst 
back to dsd/dsdiff standalone files, not only *.iso.
thanks.

Original comment by tester...@gmail.com on 7 Jul 2011 at 5:39

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Please consider possibility to convert directly from stereo or multi-ch SACD 
zones to DSD_DISC folder. In this case PS3-compatible discs can be developed. 

Original comment by mvk...@gmail.com on 2 Aug 2011 at 8:44

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I wish SACD compatible PS3 could play SACD-R with sacd-ripper.

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 3 Aug 2011 at 7:15

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i believe that's not simple or maybe i should say i think it's even impossible, 
because BD drive of PS3 can't authenticate SACD-R disc and thus no PS3 
application can read it. if you want to playback DSD audio on PS3 it's better 
to learn how to make DSD discs: http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html - it's 
not hard at all, but as far as i know it's limited to stereo playback only even 
that sacd-ripper can make both stereo and multi-channel DSF files for DSD disc 
that PS3 will recognize and play, but multi-channel DSF files will be played as 
stereo - once again i'm not sure about the stereo limitation and someone else 
maybe can confirm or deny it or you can just test.

Original comment by sheridan...@hotmail.com on 3 Aug 2011 at 12:34

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There is no stereo limitatation for mch DSD discs on SACD compatible PS3 for 
sure :-) However, creating  mch DSD disc is much more inconvenient than playing 
straight SACD-R.

'PS3 can't authenticate SACD-R disc and thus no PS3 application can read it'
That's not quite true because sacd-ripper can access and rip SACD-R as foobar 
sacd plugin (which afaik contains codes from sacd-ripper) can access and play 
SACD-R iso. 

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 3 Aug 2011 at 1:40

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"That's not quite true because sacd-ripper can access and rip SACD-R as foobar 
sacd plugin (which afaik contains codes from sacd-ripper) can access and play 
SACD-R iso."

it's not about what sacd-ripper code can do, but about if BD drive on PS3 will 
allow you to read SACD-R disc - so are you saying sacd-ripper can rip SACD-R 
disc on your PS3? what i'm trying to say that sacd-ripper can't overcome 
limitations of the BD drive hardware on PS3 and its firmware.

Original comment by sheridan...@hotmail.com on 3 Aug 2011 at 2:15

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Yes, sacd-ripper can rip SACD-R disc on SACD compatible PS3 indeed. Try it! 
This is the only way I know to copy an SACD-R disc having no UDF. So 
sacd-ripper can access the DSD/DST audio on SACD-R. The question is if it is 
possible to improve the ripper for SACD-R playing on PS3. And at this point you 
may be right, there might be such hw/sw limitations, restrictions which cannot 
be broken or circumvented.

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 3 Aug 2011 at 5:04

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When ripping to an iso it appears the iso-name is based on the album title.

I would like to suggest to use the disc title instead, because when an album 
consists of multiple discs, the album title will be the same for all discs but 
the disc titles usually are different.

When using the album title, rips from subsequent discs get overwritten, so now 
I have to take the USB-stick, run to my computer ( :-) ), rename the iso-file, 
run back again and continue ripping the next disc.

You can imagine what happens when ripping a 12-cd CD-box. :-()

-
aleg

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>>- how "stable" and "good" is this alpha in terms of sound-quality?
>Ripping a CD is higher science.. SACD ripping is basically the raw reading of 
a data >disc. The Blu-Ray drive will do the error correction...

Does this correction is strict exact or interpolate like on CD audio ?

Does SACD encryption and compression may work if such inexact sequance or gap ?

Thanks

Original comment by arkel.al...@gmail.com on 8 Aug 2011 at 4:54

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SACD is using same technology for recording as DVD with advanced protection - 
if the copy finish successfully there is no way to get errors - if there is 
error during the reading then the Blu-Ray drive will refuse to copy the data. 
also, most SACD discs use DST encoding, which is loss-less compression and if 
there is an error then you won't be able to decode the DST too. i don't know 
how to explain it - but in short there is no interpolation - the read data are 
1:1 as what they were before encrypted and recorded to the SACD.

Original comment by sheridan...@hotmail.com on 8 Aug 2011 at 8:41

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or maybe i should put it this way - when you watch DVD movie - every time you 
read the disc you watch the same movie and it's the same with SACD - quality 
doesn't depend on the backup process - data are read as they are and if there 
is error then you simple want be able to read the data.

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Congratulations. Excellent piece of software.
My suggestion is to implement decoding DST to DSD from file. Right now it's 
only possible with ISO file, but I want to archive only stereo DST file.

I can't find software to do decoding DST to DSD (usable for further 
processing). Your algorithm works well, so I think it will be easy to implement 
input from DFF(DST) file.

Thanks

Original comment by masicz.p...@gmail.com on 23 Dec 2011 at 1:22

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I would like to request direct-to-flac output by batching the saracon converter.
The converter should be batched in such a way that clicks at beginning and end 
of tracks are avoided, see issues 6 and 40.

Original comment by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 4 Feb 2012 at 10:48

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Here is a script created by zcftr29 for an automated iso -> flac conversion 
with Saracon. The script uses an older version of sacd_extract. There could be 
newer scripts but I don't aware of them because I'm not so interested in 
high-throughput SACD-R -> flac conversion.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rmn7bj

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 4 Feb 2012 at 2:51

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Thanks for pointing this out. From the readme it seems that this is the answer.
If you can remember where this is being discussed and newer versions might be 
announced, I would be most grateful. I have done a lot of googling, so far 
without success.

Original comment by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 4 Feb 2012 at 5:51

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Yes, thank you for that Grill. Maybe some standard generic batch files / shell 
scripts should be checked-in, this would make it all a little easier on you 
guys.

Original comment by mr_wic...@hotmail.com on 4 Feb 2012 at 6:25

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Anyone can rip an sacd for me please? I can pay you..thanks!

Original comment by qzhou1...@gmail.com on 23 Feb 2012 at 7:16

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With (385?) the daemon version with 5 seconds to decide which mode 'Networked' 
or not. This 5 seconds is too short a time! 
Please extend the time, so we (especially new users) have time to read fully 
the options offered, understand what they mean and reach a decision.

I have found there is no way back to make this choice after the 5 seconds, once 
the default 'Networked mode' has been implemented. The only way back is to exit 
SACD-Ripper and restart it again. (Also how does one elegantly exit 
SACD-Ripper, other than turn off the PS3?)
If we have 10 even 20 seconds to decide surely this would not slow down those 
that are already decided and used to operating SACD-Ripper, they will have made 
their selection, before (eg)20 seconds is up and the default mode implemented.

Original comment by paul.gam...@gmail.com on 3 Mar 2012 at 7:58

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What happend to the update page?
This Link
http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/updates/list
showed a chronologic list of updates to the project, which was very handy.
No it's gone...

Original comment by lich000k...@yahoo.de on 8 Mar 2012 at 5:35

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FYI
Here is zcftr29's script that converts iso to flac via edited master dff:
https://rapidshare.com/files/1605689232/SACD_Conversion_scripts__Version_0.3_.ra
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Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 9 Mar 2012 at 11:23

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@Lich,
http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/source/list

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 10 Mar 2012 at 12:09

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Hi... zcftr29 here - author of the above-mentioned script

I am currently working on version 0.4 to deal with a few issues raised by other 
users and add some extra features. Currently, the process involves extracting 
individual tracks to dff - running foobar/DR meter to find the peak tracks - 
and then converting these peak tracks (usually only one or two) in Saracon with 
0dB gain to calculate the correct gain to apply when converting the EM. This 
requires extracting the contents of the ISO twice. I am testing out an 
alternative approach - running the DR meter directly on the ISO in foobar 
first. Would it be possible to add a feature to SACD_Extract so that only 
selected tracks are extracted from the ISO for the first pass. This would 
hopefully speed up the conversion process.

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Is it possible to upload the latest version of your script to a filehost 
please? Trying to find 0.6 which is what some of the nfos seem to indicate is 
the latest, but man it is impossible to find at the moment!

Thanks in advance.

Original comment by williams...@gmail.com on 20 Aug 2013 at 6:35

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Great program, I use sacd_extract all the time to rip out dff for my Oppo 103, 
thanks.

Quick request that should be easy. If the exported file name is to long, based 
on how it was ripped to iso, then sacd_extract just drops out to "we are done", 
and does not extract the rest of the files. I can get by this by moving the iso 
down to the root level of a drive and rename the dir to a single letter, then 
sacd_extract can properly write out the long file name. SO my suggestion is 
this, if you find you are going to exceed the file name limit on a file to 
export, then just auto truncate the file name and export it. You could then 
drop a message that some filenames were truncated, and "we are done"!  Thanks!!!

Original comment by kamel5...@gmail.com on 14 Nov 2013 at 8:51

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Dear Mr_Wicked,

I wish you could create a tool which can convert multichannel DSF files to DFF 
and vice versa.

Original comment by gr...@index.hu on 2 Jan 2014 at 10:26

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Mr_Wicked,

I'm using SACD Ripper version 0.37, which is the latest I can find.  I recently 
encountered two problems (with the same SACD) that I would appreciate having 
fixed.

In case it's relevant, the SACD is Diana Krall - When I look in your eyes, 
Verve 440 065 374-2, which contains BOTH SACD Stereo and SACD Surround Sound 
areas.

The  stereo area contains 13 tracks and the surround area only the first 12 
tracks.  The  opening screen of SACD Ripper correctly identifies both areas, 
but the 'O' button to select one or the other has been disabled in this 
version, so I can't select the stereo area for ripping.

It would be nice to have the various output options re-enabled, at the very 
least a choice of 2ch or Mch ISO output.

The second problem is a known one from way back - the 'blind rip' problem, 
where SACD Ripper fails to show the progress bars once started, and effectively 
'freezes' the PS3, though it *does* complete the ripping successfully.  One has 
to watch the activity indicator of the USB stick to confirm when it has 
finished, then force a reboot of the PS3 to do anything more.

Any chance of looking at that issue too?

I really appreciate the work you have put into this program, and hope that it 
can be further debugged and not become a lame orphan.

Regards,
Daniel (Australia)

Original comment by DanielFF...@gmail.com on 31 Mar 2015 at 2:17