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modified style journal of evolutionary biology, git://gist.github.com/1676557.git #82

Closed mirresimons closed 12 years ago

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

git://gist.github.com/1676557.git

rmzelle commented 12 years ago

Could you elaborate a bit on what you changed in the style?

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

Changed it so it actually matches the style of the journal which it did not:

et al. italic in text and bibliography After 6 authors in bibliography: et. al and omit other authors corrected number of authors in citation corrected number of authors in bibliography corrected the space between initials of authors Changes the comma that was shown after last author, which is not in style of journal

That was probably it, maybe more but would be minor as well. These changes are really necessary though for the style to be useful

Cheers,

Mirre

On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Rintze M. Zelle wrote:

Could you elaborate a bit on what you changed in the style?

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adam3smith commented 12 years ago

this still looks quite wrong for chapters, no? Your style does:

Estevez-Abe, M., Iversen, T. & Soskice, D. 2001. Social Protection and the Formation of Skills: A Reinterpretation of the Welfare State. In P. A. Hall & D. Soskice (Eds.), Varieties of Capitalism. The Institutional Foundations of Comparative Advantage. Oxford and New York: Oxford University Press (pp. 145-183).

JEB wants:

Dawkins, R. & Krebs, J.R. 1978. Animal signals: information or manipulation. In: Behavioural Ecology: An Evolutionary Approach (J.R. Krebs & N.B. Davies, eds), pp. 282–309. Blackwell, Oxford.

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

True.. would be nice to fix that too indeed.

I rarely cite chapters and have focussed on journal citations without changing the original format of the script

Another thing that needs fixing is, the , before et al in the reference list when there are more than six authors

cheers

On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

this still looks quite wrong for chapters, no? Your style does:

Estevez-Abe, M., Iversen, T. & Soskice, D. 2001. Social Protection and the Formation of Skills: A Reinterpretation of the Welfare State. In P. A. Hall & D. Soskice (Eds.), Varieties of Capitalism. The Institutional Foundations of Comparative Advantage. Oxford and New York: Oxford University Press (pp. 145-183).

JEB wants:

Dawkins, R. & Krebs, J.R. 1978. Animal signals: information or manipulation. In: Behavioural Ecology: An Evolutionary Approach (J.R. Krebs & N.B. Davies, eds), pp. 282–309. Blackwell, Oxford.

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adam3smith commented 12 years ago

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

Great thanks

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On 25 Jan 2012, at 23:53, Sebastian Karcherreply@reply.github.com wrote:

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

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mirresimons commented 12 years ago

Hi

Would it be possible to fix one more issue. Your work has greatly improved it.

So in the bibliography the last author of a 6+ author papers gets et al after it. However there is a comma before et al, this is not required. I do not know how to remove this.

Do you know?

Cheers..

M

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

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adam3smith commented 12 years ago

that's not currently possible to fix - will be in the next version of csl (delimiter-precedes-et-al)

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM, mirresimons reply@reply.github.com wrote:

Hi

Would it be possible to fix one more issue. Your work has greatly improved it.

So in the bibliography the last author of a 6+ author papers gets et al after it. However there is a comma before et al, this is not required. I do not know how to remove this.

Do you know?

Cheers..

M

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/issues/82#issuecomment-3660940

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Sebastian Karcher Ph.D. Candidate Department of Political Science Northwestern University

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

Yes I thought it might be impossible. Thanks for your great coding work :D

cheers

M

On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

that's not currently possible to fix - will be in the next version of csl (delimiter-precedes-et-al)

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM, mirresimons reply@reply.github.com wrote:

Hi

Would it be possible to fix one more issue. Your work has greatly improved it.

So in the bibliography the last author of a 6+ author papers gets et al after it. However there is a comma before et al, this is not required. I do not know how to remove this.

Do you know?

Cheers..

M

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/issues/82#issuecomment-3660940

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/issues/82#issuecomment-3676234

Sebastian Karcher Ph.D. Candidate Department of Political Science Northwestern University

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mirresimons commented 12 years ago

This should be added to the publisher block. I do not know my way round github enough to know where to put it in your version. To not show publisher when it is a journal paper

On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

that's not currently possible to fix - will be in the next version of csl (delimiter-precedes-et-al)

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM, mirresimons reply@reply.github.com wrote:

Hi

Would it be possible to fix one more issue. Your work has greatly improved it.

So in the bibliography the last author of a 6+ author papers gets et al after it. However there is a comma before et al, this is not required. I do not know how to remove this.

Do you know?

Cheers..

M

On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

I've committed a version of the style. I cleaned it up significantly and also fixed chapters, webpages, and digital (pre-print) journal articles with doi.

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/issues/82#issuecomment-3660940

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/issues/82#issuecomment-3676234

Sebastian Karcher Ph.D. Candidate Department of Political Science Northwestern University

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adam3smith commented 12 years ago

we don't do this in any of the existing styles. Which software has publisher fields for journal and magazine articles?

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

I use it for papers 2, this gave me problems.

On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Sebastian Karcher wrote:

we don't do this in any of the existing styles. Which software has publisher fields for journal and magazine articles?

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adam3smith commented 12 years ago

@rmzelle - any thoughts on this?

rmzelle commented 12 years ago

@adam3smith: another reason CSL should standardize field availability for item types.

@cparnot, do you know if anybody ever requested the ability to cite "publisher" and "publisher-place" for these item types? The easiest solution might be to drop the field mapping between the fields in Papers and the CSL input, assuming that nobody relies on this.

cparnot commented 12 years ago

@mirresimons could you clarify what the problem was in Papers2?

@rmzelle : The mapping in Papers2 for 'publisher-place' is indeed done for all item types. Do you mean it does not make sense to have a publisher field for a journal article?

adam3smith commented 12 years ago

@cparnot - Mirre's "problem" was that papers printed to publisher-place for journal articles - which shouldn't be there. This can be removed by adding the little if statement he provides above. Sounds like Papers is doing everything right here wrt to the specs. We just need to figure out how to solve this more globally.

@rmzelle - I think Papers2 may have this one right and we'll have to look into fixing the styles on the repository: Here's one of the threads that mentions (and demonstrates the need for) publisher-places for journals: http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/10837/place-field-for-periodicals/

cparnot commented 12 years ago

Thanks for the summary, I wanted to make sure I understand fully and now I do. So to clarify, the mapping in Papers2 indeed does use the place for journal articles. That was not due to a user request, that was just the naive way it was done on our end. Nobody has complained about it afaik, though I may not remember properly, and @mirresimons may have in fact mentioned it to us (sorry @mirresimons if I don't remember!).

We'd be happy to honor field availability based on item types, assuming some rules can be agreed on and documented. The item types in Papers2 don't have a straightforward mapping to CSL types, but we could definitely do it based on the mapping we anyway do for the <if type...> elements.

mirresimons commented 12 years ago

it was a new issue. the if function solved it though, but I guess you want papers2 to use generic csl styles or something. This would be great. I am very happy with the current style and for my next paper will work on a style again most probably

On Jan 27, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Charles Parnot wrote:

Thanks for the summary, I wanted to make sure I understand fully and now I do. So to clarify, the mapping in Papers2 indeed does use the place for journal articles. That was not due to a user request, that was just the naive way it was done on our end. Nobody has complained about it afaik, though I may not remember properly, and @mirresimons may have in fact mentioned it to us (sorry @mirresimons if I don't remember!).

We'd be happy to honor field availability based on item types, assuming some rules can be agreed on and documented. The item types in Papers2 don't have a straightforward mapping to CSL types, but we could definitely do it based on the mapping we anyway do for the <if type...> elements.

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cparnot commented 12 years ago

Coincidentally, I just had a user with a similar issue, but with Biochemistry. I have a commit ready for this one as well, but I am waiting on this because I need to check the style more carefully, and wanted to give time if there are objections to adding those every time we hit the issue with publisher in styles.

rmzelle commented 12 years ago

Ah, it seems we already have a ticket for this: https://github.com/ajlyon/zotero-bits/issues/16

@cparnot, yes, we probably need to cover this case in the styles, as we'll try to get Zotero to use and map these fields.