new topic: money

[maxheld83]

this seems to have it all; ontological, epistmological, axiological disagreements – and some very defined alternatives.

[maxheld83]

note on the Vollgeld stuff: Part of the rationale for Vollgeld is in fact that you want to construe your money as a pre social thing that should be independent of what people want much like the gold standard. This is the dangerous part of it. Not surprising this come from Switzerland. Maybe it's not a coincidence that Switzerland of all countries introduces the referendum on full money in the first place. Maybe a similar nationalist sentiment. Look at list of referenda often on migration and of the gold standard.

[maxheld83]

more specifically, money generation and the privilege (?) that banks enjoy in that regard might be interesting

[maxheld83]

also, obviously, vollgeld is one of those topics that people find interesting because it makes our world so much easier, so much more reliable – even a little economic nationalism (because there is a link with capital controls), it makes money into something more “real” than it really is, that is promise. Worry/wonder about what that means …

[maxheld83]

as an example of scientific debates that are thoroughly polluted by system logic, listen to several economists, including heterodox economists talking on “vollgeld” – at least, it is polluted by the job opportunities, and the vitriol, the fear, the hatred that you suddenly see between civilised people - it’s shocking. So you really need deliberative citizen scientists, who can argue in a space without fear and without job repercussions, not only in this area

[maxheld83]

could be:

• free banking
• real money -...

These are the kinds of discrete choices, that are lacking otherwise.

[maxheld83]

we need discrete choices for a CiviCon, otherwise we're all over the place, but it needs to be a choice that is relevantly abstract