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Cultures: Africa #23

Open ghost opened 4 years ago

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

So... guess it's your own fault for bringing Africa to my attention. Here we go: I'm simply posting an exhaustive list of my suggestions with new groups and their cultures, and include some source pictures as well as explanations afterwards.

Niger-Congo: -Mande->Mandinka -Soninke -Wolof+ -Sosso+->Susu -Akan#future -Kru#future -Fulani#future -Mende*?#future

Chadic: -Hausa

Cushitic: -Beja+ -Somali -Afar*?

Songhay-Saharan: -Songhay -Kanuri -Zaghawa

Eastern-Sudanic: -Daju -Nubian

South Semitic: -Ethiopian[Amharic] -Soqotri -Tigrayan? -Mehri["South Arabic" variant]*?

Legend: "+" denotes existing Plus culture "*" denotes suggested new culture "?" denotes an undecided candidacy "->" denotes a renaming suggestion "[ ]" denotes an alternate name for clarification, which need not be changed to "#future" denotes cultures planned for inclusion after the map transition, when ore parts of West Africa are included

Sources (just the pictures, ofc there are Wikipedia articles as well): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Afro-Asiatic_languages_-_Karte_der_Afroasiatischen_Sprachen.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Map_of_the_Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages.svg/1342px-Map_of_the_Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Africa_ethnic_groups_1996.jpg

Explanations:

ghost commented 4 years ago

dokay sounds good. Not sure about Ethiopian though. It is it sensible to have an cultural group like byzantine for that?

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

What do you mean with that? How "like Byzantine"?

ghost commented 4 years ago

A group that is not linguistic but based on cultural similarity. So Ethiopian group to unite these disparate cultures?

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

Ah I see. Which ones would that encompass? And idk yet...

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

Hmm I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesha_peoples So you are actually right, there is some sort of broader group defined which includes more than just Amhara and linguistically related cultures. However, the main culture(s) grouped together that are not already part of South Semitic would be just "Agaw" which I had not suggested as an addition, as well es even smaller ones. And possibly Beja; but that would then leave Somali pretty exposed, because that one is only included in Habesha in modern time where it is basically used in the sense of "any people living in Ethiopia, the country" and thus has little to do with culture/ethnicity.

ghost commented 4 years ago

So you want to keep Garamantian?

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

Meh, tbh I have no opinion on that. I don't think it should be on the map in history, but we could leave it in for shattered world. Or if someone (Paradox?) ever should happen to make another bookmark. But then, we could also easily re-add it later. Yeah I don't mind either way, I'd leave that decision to you.

ghost commented 4 years ago

I am gonna add Sanhaja instead

ghost commented 4 years ago

Meh, tbh I have no opinion on that. I don't think it should be on the map in history, but we could leave it in for shattered world. Or if someone (Paradox?) ever should happen to make another bookmark. But then, we could also easily re-add it later. Yeah I don't mind either way, I'd leave that decision to you.

I am gonna delete it, I am mad at Kaiser.

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

I have no more suggestions here. I'll get to implementing East African eventually.

LordPeter commented 4 years ago

I'd keep it like this in East Africa (Central and West you did already):

Cushitic:

Eastern-Sudanic:

South Semitic:

Afar and Mehri were dropped. But the groups remain the same.

questionmarkexclamationpoint commented 4 years ago

@daniloy Is this one done?