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Cross-Linguistic Transcription Systems
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Handling tones on vowels #24

Closed LinguList closed 7 years ago

LinguList commented 7 years ago

If we stick to BIPA, we can mechanically assign the standard characters to tones. We could even expand the system by a class that lists both vocalic and tone features, following these rules:

This would drastically increase the acceptance of sounds, and computationally, separating may be automatized, and adding the tones in our potential space to all existing vowels is a no-brainer. But it needs some thinking nevertheless, whether we want to really go this way, given that we know that transcription systems usually don't follow IPA-rules here. Maybe, the way to go is the JIPA collection, where they have quite a few of these examples. Needless to say, that this would be another class: tonevowels, or vowelswithtones.

xrotwang commented 7 years ago

Yes, the class hierarchy shouldn't get out of hand.

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If we stick to BIPA, we can mechanically assign the standard characters to tones. We could even expand the system by a class that lists both vocalic and tone features, following these rules:

This would drastically increase the acceptance of sounds, and computationally, separating may be automatized, and adding the tones in our potential space to all existing vowels is a no-brainer. But it needs some thinking nevertheless, whether we want to really go this way, given that we know that transcription systems usually don't follow IPA-rules here. Maybe, the way to go is the JIPA collection, where they have quite a few of these examples. Needless to say, that this would be another class: tonevowels, or vowelswithtones.

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LinguList commented 7 years ago

we have more or less successfully handled to split tones from vowels in the dogon-project, so I'll close this for now, as it seems that it would go too far, and also deprive us of a clean analysis, as people should basically understand that there's no reason to put different types of information into the same symbol