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Mid-long and ultra-short consonants: do we need them? #97

Closed LinguList closed 6 years ago

LinguList commented 6 years ago

When testing on the phonetic alignment benchmark I found many ultra-short consonants as well as mid-long consonants. I guess this is dialect data which is often very fine-grained. The question is, whether we want to add these to the diacritics, or leave them at the side for the time being.

tresoldi commented 6 years ago

As a general rule, I'd only add them if they are provably distinctive. It boils down to our common problem of researchers marking phonetic properties when what matters for historical linguistics is almost always phonology. If the feature cannot be explained in terms of complementary distribution, context, etc., I'd leave them at the side or just carry them on while having no weight in the alignment.

2018-01-28 8:36 GMT-02:00 Johann-Mattis List notifications@github.com:

When testing on the phonetic alignment benchmark http://alignments.lingpy.org I found many ultra-short consonants as well as mid-long consonants. I guess this is dialect data which is often very fine-grained. The question is, whether we want to add these to the diacritics, or leave them at the side for the time being.

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LinguList commented 6 years ago

I don't like having 13 issues, so I'll close this now, and we can re-open whenever we think it should be needed.

tresoldi commented 6 years ago

I've opened one for the Wikipedia data, but I should be able to close it by tonight.

2018-01-31 10:42 GMT-02:00 Johann-Mattis List notifications@github.com:

I don't like having 13 issues, so I'll close this now, and we can re-open whenever we think it should be needed.

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LinguList commented 6 years ago

I'll just shut this for the moment, in general, we more or less already decided that we don't bother now, right?