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Add lat/long for Kullilli (Kalali kala1380) #133

Closed chirila closed 2 years ago

chirila commented 3 years ago

Should be -28.136, 143.929

HedvigS commented 3 years ago

I'll make a PR to that effect for you at Glottolog/Glottolog.

For the record, those are almost the same lat/long as the language level parent of this dialect ngur1261. One easy solution I use sometimes if I need to visualise a dialect and it has no lat/long is to assume it has the same/similar one as its parent.

chirila commented 3 years ago

That Ngura (ngur1261) isn't right - it conflates several close dialects, separate languages, and "languages" known only from names. It also contains "ngurawarla" which isn't a language at all, but rather a term for "uninhabited camp".

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I'll make a PR to that effect for you at Glottolog/Glottolog.

For the record, those are almost the same lat/long as the language level parent of this dialect ngur1261. One easy solution I use sometimes if I need to visualise a dialect and it has no lat/long is to assume it has the same/similar one as its parent.

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HedvigS commented 3 years ago

Right, okay. That sounds like another issue to log for Harald's inspection. For now all I did was edit the lat/long for kala1380 specifically. I'm sure Harald would be open to restructuring the tree given convincing evidence.

Glottolog doesn't edit the "dialect"-levels as carefully as the language level. My understanding is that one of the main points is to relate to the descriptions used in existing publications. I'm guessing that ngurawarla was used by some author at some point to refer to some kind of language variety.

chirila commented 3 years ago

That's true, though Luise Hercus pointed out the error in the 1980s or early 90s. I did put together some information about this for SIL, which glottolog quotes but ignores (that is, they quote it but they still use the older classification, which I think is due to Wurm)

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Right, okay. That sounds like another issue to log for Harald's inspection. For now all I did was edit the lat/long for kala1380 specifically. I'm sure Harald would be open to restructuring the tree given convincing evidence.

Glottolog doesn't edit the "dialect"-levels as carefully as the language level. My understanding is that one of the main points is to relate to the descriptions used in existing publications. I'm guessing that ngurawarla was used by some author at some point to refer to some kind of language variety.

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HedvigS commented 3 years ago

Understood.

Sounds like we need some @d97hah presence.

d97hah commented 3 years ago

Yes, this has been on my todo-list to fix. I don't agree with the separation of Punthamara and (modern) Wangkumara as separate languages as well as some further details of the proposal reflected in the ISO change request, but I'll fix the rest for next Glottolog edition. all the best, H

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