Open MPhonks opened 11 months ago
Weuyn
commented
11 months ago the only fuel worth using is some research abomination with oxidizing 8+ and flowing at least 6 (flowing gives range), but that would cost a researchers entire round to make and it wouldn't be significantly better than the usual stuff unless also fire penetrating, then it works on ravagers and queens
Segrain
commented
11 months ago A long known problem, though this might be the first time somebody bothered to make a formal report of it. Hopefully this time I will actually get to it soon\^tm.
Diegoflores31
commented
11 months ago just to add some info . Flamer spec CAN use the OT fuel BUT only if they throw away the broiler backpack which is not a good idea
Testmerges
N/A
Description of the bug
Flamer tanks made by Ordnance Technicians sound good on paper, but are currently sadly not worth the metal and effort they cost. There's a plethora of issues which relate to them, of which are:
M240-T Fuel Tanks can't be used by the pyrotechnician specialist. There is no way to attach custom fuel tanks to the Broiler-T flexible refueling system.
Some chemicals which should work with custom fuel tanks, don't. I've tried to make sense of this, but I simply couldn't. Phosphorus with an intensity of 1i/u can't be used to refill custom fuel tanks, but Methane with an intensity of -0.35i/u can.
You can't use the chemical tanks (apart from the Welder Fuel one) in the OT Workshop to refuel custom fuel tanks - they don't count as reagent tanks, which only further frustrates pyro-interested Ordnance Technicians.
The "unit of fuel / tile" maths make no sense. You have regular flamer fuel tanks shoot 5 tile long flames for 5 units of fuel (1u/t), but to reach the same amount of tiles with any other custom fuel, you need to use 25 units of fuel (5u/t). And if you try to use 1u/t, you get just that - a single tile in front of you. That means that every """good""" fuel tank only has 4 uses ("""good""" as in, literally no different to the standard UT-Napthal you get in regular incinerator tanks, compared to Napalm which takes time and effort to make).
You can not mix fuels. Whilst technically not a bug, I do not know why this is a thing to begin with. The only explanation I have for this is that whoever was making custom flamers didn't want to deal with coding it at the time - which is totally understandable. But the first thing every Ordnance Technician tries is literally that; try to mix fuels. This is just a sad kick in the nuts.
What's the difference with what should have happened?
[1] Currently: M240-T Fuel Tanks can not be attached to the Broiler-T flexible refueling system. Expected: M240-T Fuel Tanks can be attached. You can switch between a single custom fuel tank, and the 3 regular ones.
[2] Currently: Chemicals which should work, don't. Chemicals which shouldn't work, do. Expected: Every chemical should be able to be put into fuel tanks. There should be either no flames or a minimum amount of flames upon trying to use a flamer in a scenario where the chemical is unsuitable. Ergo, minimum intensity, minimum range, minimum duration (as it currently works for every custom explosive casing).
[3] Currently: Trying to use the custom fuel tank on the roundstart oxygen tank doesn't work. Putting the oxygen into a seperate tank and then trying to refuel the custom fuel tank does work. Expected: Custom fuel tanks can be refilled at roundstart chemical tanks in the Ordnance Technician Workshop.
[4] Currently: 1u/t translates to 1 tile of flames for custom fuel tanks, and 5 tiles of flames for regular UT-Napthal incinerator tanks. The damage for both (in the scenario of using custom made Napalm) is the same, the ammo consumption is not. Expected: Custom fuel tanks should be, at the very least, slightly better than regular incinerator tanks to warrant their use/time it needs to make them. 1u/t translates to 5 tiles of flame, same as it does for regular incinerator tanks.
[5] Currently: to_chat(user, SPAN_WARNING("You can't mix fuel mixtures!")) Expected: to_chat(user, SPAN_WARNING("Hey, go batshit insane on that fuel mix!"))
How do we reproduce this bug?
[1] Any attempt to put the large fuel tank into the pyro specialist's Broiler-T flexible refueling system.
[2] Any attempt to refuel with a phosphorus reagent tank. Any attempt to refuel with a methane reagent tank (other than the one in OT workshop, see [3]).
[3] Any attempt to refuel with a roundstart reagent tank in OT Workshop.
[4] Comparing custom fuel tanks and regular incinerator tanks, with varying fuel consumption, make the nonsense apparent.
[5] Mixing fuel mixes, trying to use the mixed fuel mixes, getting sad over not being able to make custom fuel mixes. :(
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