halcyondude
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2 years ago Met with folks from Neo4J today:
From Neo4j:
- Ryan Azizzi
- austin.fischer@neo4j.com
- soham.dhodapkar@neo4j.com
From CNCF Landscape Graph
- Matt Young
Topics discussed (2 hr)
- CNCF, Landscape, overview
- recounted prior discussions with folks @ Neo4j, Greg King, Michael Hunger, etc., and history of project, and potential for featuring landscape-graph on Neo4j hosted Webinar.
- overview of current implementation & status, nightly push --> Aura (#57)
- Active work, "loop before leap" for prior Art, regarding "Sub-Graph Modules" (https://github.com/cncf/landscape-graph/issues/54)
landscape-graph asks:
- Neo4j Enterprise Server License
- Neo4j Bloom Multi-tenant license
- technical consult, collaboration, contribution potential / "open door"
- Neo4j <-> CNCF collaboration / partnership on technical and marketing/PR fronts (e.g. blogs, webinars, etc)
- Neo4j is a CNCF member, 15 yr / mature organization (awards, with a track record of innovating in Graph Data Science, and applying it to human/social challenges (https://neo4j.com/graphs4good). Examples include Panama Papers, COVID, Graphs 4 the Cure, Graphs 4 Women, NASA, etc.
- CNCF is a rapidly growing and expanding ecosystem with { 5.4m humans, 1,075 cards, 3,102,444 stars, market cap of $13.9T and funding of $29.4B. It seeks to transparently provide insight, analysis, and understanding of the foundation's ecosystem. It can do so using tools and technologies incubated in Open Source; in many cases from within it's membership.
- 3-tuple "win" --> { CNCF, Neo4j,
landscape-graph)
- guidance to prior art for CI/CD, GH Actions (already using https://github.com/johnymontana/flat-graph)
- A: Check out hop.apache.org
- Inform: ran into a bug with Introspector (#51 active branch), debugging
- Guidance on ETL between graphql endpoints (GraphQL (GitHub, ...) <-> landscape_graph). Michael Hunger's blog mentions a technical approach, what's the future / potential for relying on https://medium.com/neo4j/loading-graph-data-for-an-object-graph-mapper-or-graphql-5103b1a8b66e ?
- Q: is k8s via helm "the best" way to run Neo4j? Neo isn't really designed to horizontally scale (at all).
- Yes, consider Fabric
- Q: best way to support Sub-Graph Module (sgm) "quick cleanup," and CI/CD workflows that start with a snapshot of the database, apply a PR, run tests / CI...then roll back, etc.
- A: https://neo4j.com/blog/getting-started-with-neo4j-fabric - allows for composing a horizontally scaled graph by stitching together multiple smaller databases. Effectively supporting a sharding use case, can be used in theory to support these workloads
- [ ] Spike: neo4j-fabric
Outcomes
- Neo4j:
- Provisional license (30 day timebomb) for Neo4j Enterprise and Bloom incoming, sorting out ongoing license
- Will follow up re: partnership / collaboration w/ CNCF
- landscape-graph:
- will follow up and respond to technical questions
- will join Discord and say hello to Neo4j's community
- will create pitch deck, and/or other materials to help Ryan @ Neo4j tell our story
- will follow up w/ CNCF Leadership
Sent email to the team at Neo4j.