Conda install on windows fails initial attempts, causing install time >20 minutes

[therriault]

No idea if this is unique to my machine / configuration (Lenovo Yoga 910 running Windows 10, Python 3.7, Conda 4.8.3), but just wanted to share in case there's a solution you can include in the getting started docs, or a better approach to recommend. It did finally go through, but for whatever reason it took like 20 minutes of failing during those initial attempts before it finally figured it out. So if there's something that could be done to improve this situation (either on the conda-forge side or just by recommending pip for windows users) that would be helpful because it delayed the process of getting up and running significantly.

Here's the error messages I was getting before it finally started installing properly (at the bottom of the screenshot):

[mrocklin]

Thanks for highlighting this Andrew. I'll boot up Windows later this afternoon and give things a whirl. I'll check back here when things are smoother.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM Andrew Therriault notifications@github.com wrote:

No idea if this is unique to my machine / configuration (Lenovo Yoga 910 running Windows 10, Python 3.7, Conda 4.8.3), but just wanted to share in case there's a solution you can include in the getting started docs, or a better approach to recommend. It did finally go through, but for whatever reason it took like 20 minutes of failing during those initial attempts before it finally figured it out. So if there's something that could be done to improve this situation (either on the conda-forge side or just by recommending pip for windows users) that would be helpful because it delayed the process of getting up and running significantly.

Here's the error messages I was getting before it finally started installing properly (at the bottom of the screenshot):

[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/4842513/89824120-9e549080-db20-11ea-837f-df47d98ae6af.png

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[mrocklin]

I suspect that your local conda installation just has a lot of stuff in it and that we introduce something that creates a hard-to-figure-out dependency solve.

In this case I would generally recommend one of two solutions:

1. Create a new conda environment (clean, but maybe not your normal workflow)
2. Install with pip (not clean, but probably easy)

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Matthew Rocklin mrocklin@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for highlighting this Andrew. I'll boot up Windows later this afternoon and give things a whirl. I'll check back here when things are smoother.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM Andrew Therriault < notifications@github.com> wrote:

No idea if this is unique to my machine / configuration (Lenovo Yoga 910 running Windows 10, Python 3.7, Conda 4.8.3), but just wanted to share in case there's a solution you can include in the getting started docs, or a better approach to recommend. It did finally go through, but for whatever reason it took like 20 minutes of failing during those initial attempts before it finally figured it out. So if there's something that could be done to improve this situation (either on the conda-forge side or just by recommending pip for windows users) that would be helpful because it delayed the process of getting up and running significantly.

Here's the error messages I was getting before it finally started installing properly (at the bottom of the screenshot):

[image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/4842513/89824120-9e549080-db20-11ea-837f-df47d98ae6af.png

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[mrocklin]

@jrbourbeau maybe short term we only advertise the coiled pip package?

[jrbourbeau]

but for whatever reason it took like 20 minutes

Sorry to hear that @therriault, thanks for letting us know

maybe short term we only advertise the coiled pip package?

That seems reasonable if installing coiled frequently leads to long solve times. @mrocklin when you get a chance could you see how long it takes to conda install coiled into the coiled/default environment on Windows? It'd be good to get at least one more data point before removing conda install coiled from the docs

[necaris]

@jrbourbeau maybe short term we only advertise the coiled pip package

I hope we don't have to -- it'd be nice if we could stick to one package manager (i.e. just conda all round) to minimize confusion!

[dantheman39]

I'm going to close this issue since there hasn't been much movement on it, but please feel free to reopen if necessary!