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The Wikimedia Commons Android app allows users to upload pictures from their Android phone/tablet to Wikimedia Commons
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Add page to tutorial to educate new users on what type of photo is needed #95

Closed misaochan closed 7 years ago

misaochan commented 8 years ago

From https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App

I'm concerned by these two lines:

publicity is needed to inform non-Wikimedians about this app account creation from within the app The WMF already built a Mobile Media Uploads app aimed at non-editors. It had to be shut down. Editors know about copyright and they upload pictures that are useful for the project. Non-editors didn't. They uploaded massive numbers of selfies and copyvios that had to be researched and deleted. Any images that weren't outright deleted were generally useless. The rate of useful images was so low that it wasn't worth the cost of dredging thought the bad images to find anything worthwhile. Alsee (talk) 13:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I think we could add a page to the tutorial (that new users see after installing the app) about this? To inform new users that selfies and copyright violations will be deleted.

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

Very good idea, some education in this field would indeed improve the usefulness of the picture, and the tutorial sounds like a good place for that :-)

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Hi @nicolas-raoul , could you comment on this thread: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Mobile_edits_and_uploads please? :) I have responded but am unsure if my assumption is correct.

Thanks!

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

Note: Cleaning 5% of https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Uploaded_with_Mobile/Android just took me an hour. So, I believe that the problem of useless pictures, while existing, is very far from negating the benefits of the app.

misaochan commented 8 years ago

During my chat with Marti today, it was suggested that we pay particular emphasis to this feature, due to concerns about new users uploading selfies and copyvios. She suggested that we contact User:Pine to collaborate on making an effective tutorial. I'll try to talk to Pine and see if he's willing to help.

misaochan commented 8 years ago

It was also suggested that we add a measure of success that tests the effectiveness of the tutorial in educating new users who have never contributed to Wikimedia before. Preferably a survey of sorts. But I'm still thinking on how we could get the relevant users to take them. I suppose we could contact them on-wiki after browsing the users who submitted recently uploaded images?

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

How about checking the last pictures uploaded by 100 different new users, and classifying them into useful/useless?

By the way, I recently surveyed hundreds of app-uploaded pictures and nominated for deletion the few ones I judged useless, but other Commons users found some of them not useless, I was surprised: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/mobile_tracking/archive/2016-21#File:ASCII_image_.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/mobile_tracking/archive/2016-21#File:Green_insect.jpeg

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Hmm, that sounds like a good idea, but how do we know that they are new to Wikimedia without contacting them? Even if their Commons account is new, they might have contributed in the past to other parts of Wikimedia or under a different account, right?

Also I'm not sure if we can get 100 brand new users, haha, but we could try with a smaller number.

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

Yes, a few might have created a new account, but maybe that's in an acceptable error margin? Yes we can check all new users in a week/month instead :-)

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Ah, yes, good point. Is there an easy way to tell which accounts are new, or will we need to rely on WMF for that information?

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

How about checking the user's Special:Log ? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Xaviant_LLC https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Deshpremiraj

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Looks good, thanks!

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Hm, I just thought of this... how do we know if the picture is a copyright violation or not? I guess if the Exif data shows that it is taken by a phone camera, it's likely to not be a copyvio?

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

On Commons people usually consider that pictures with EXIF are not copyvio. Most copyvios are images downloaded from websites, and most pictures on websites have no EXIF.

My big camera can connect to my phone via Wi-Fi, so I sometimes upload non-phone pics via the app.

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Reminder to self: Add page about licenses (as mentioned at #140) to tutorial.

misaochan commented 8 years ago

As suggested by Marti, I've been talking to Pine about collaborating for this tutorial. He has given me a link to his script outline so far, could anyone take a look and see if the style would suit our app tutorial? I don't think we can do a video on the in-app tutorial page, but maybe we could summarize there and maybe have his upcoming Commons video up on the Google Play page instead?

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

Do you mean this script? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Motivational_and_educational_video_to_introduce_Wikimedia/Scripts#Wikimedia_Commons_.286_minutes.29_.28priority_1.29

I see:

Intended audience: Education instructors, GLAM+STEM project leaders, students, participants in GLAM+STEM activities, and media uploaders such as participants in Wiki Loves Monuments

I think our audience is more "any random person who installed the Wikipedia app and wondered what that other app in the same developer account was for" :-)

The irrelevant "Government works" and "OTRS" parts could be edited out I guess. The rest of the topics sound very relevant.

Using such a video as the Google Play page video is a great idea!

misaochan commented 8 years ago

Edit: Oh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, we'll definitely need to remove some parts for adaptation to our app I think, not all of that will be relevant to our userbase.

Great, I'll contact him again later and see how things go. :)

misaochan commented 8 years ago

I just noticed this cartoon: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Licensing_tutorial_en.svg/720px-Licensing_tutorial_en.svg.png

It seems pretty useful. Think we could reuse it in our tutorial?

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

It looks like I disabled that cartoon somehow haha... do you have a link to the image itself? Thanks!

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I just noticed this cartoon: https://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Special:UploadWizard

It seems pretty useful. Think we could reuse it in our tutorial?

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misaochan commented 8 years ago

Yeah, I edited it to show the image link instead. :)

nicolas-raoul commented 8 years ago

Better have the text as strings so that it can be internationalized, but the general flow and individual cartoons are worth reusing, yes :-)

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Update: Pine has linked me his Commons tutorial script, with permission to share - https://docs.google.com/document/d/16UeyGdEySXe3ImUzPCEkileA45aXpXYH30Dfatjvi5I/edit . Any thoughts on how we could use the information there in our tutorial?

I've also been pondering how to structure the tutorial. Currently most of the space is taken up by icons - which are nice and eye-catching, but which leaves little room for text. If we want to make a more in-depth tutorial, we would need to put more content in. Should we cut out the icons on the current tutorial to make more space, so we can have more content without increasing the number of pages the user has to scroll through at the start? Or is adding a few more pages OK?

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

We should first extract from that script the passages that apply to the Commons app. Images are good if they make the reading more pleasant, I am not against adding more pages, like 10 in total would still be OK I guess, if each is very easily understandable.

misaochan commented 7 years ago

I agree, I'll extract out the bits that I find relevant and post them here for comment.

If we added up to 10 pages, should we provide the option to skip at the start, for old users who are just updating/reinstalling/etc the app?

And if we went the images route, we would need to create some of our own. I could pick out open source icons but it would likely turn out the same as what happened when I did that for NearbyList - they won't be very congruent in style, and probably not very nice. :) Shall we ask for volunteers in the village pump again, instead?

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Yes, hopefully someone will try as it is a finite set of like 10 images, whereas for Nearby the list is never-ending.

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I agree, I'll extract out the bits that I find relevant and post them here for comment.

If we added up to 10 pages, should we provide the option to skip at the start, for old users who are just updating/reinstalling/etc the app?

And if we went the images route, we would need to create some of our own. I could pick out open source icons but it would likely turn out the same as what happened when I did that for NearbyList - they won't be very congruent in style, and probably not very nice. :) Shall we ask for volunteers in the village pump again, instead?

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nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Of course, let's first decide the content before asking for illustrations :-)

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Yes, hopefully someone will try as it is a finite set of like 10 images, whereas for Nearby the list is never-ending.

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I agree, I'll extract out the bits that I find relevant and post them here for comment.

If we added up to 10 pages, should we provide the option to skip at the start, for old users who are just updating/reinstalling/etc the app?

And if we went the images route, we would need to create some of our own. I could pick out open source icons but it would likely turn out the same as what happened when I did that for NearbyList - they won't be very congruent in style, and probably not very nice. :) Shall we ask for volunteers in the village pump again, instead?

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

Will do, thanks @nicolas-raoul !

misaochan commented 7 years ago

I've extracted passages from the script that I think are relevant, grouped them, and added some of my own points. Note that this is still in raw form, I definitely would reword them and summarize them into bullet points once we decide what information we want and what we don't want. :) Please let me know what you think!

Intro

Wikimedia Commons hosts most of the images that are used on the Wikimedia projects, including Wikipedia and Wikidata. Commons hosts images that anyone can use without paying a copyright fee.

What can I upload?

Examples include natural objects like flowers, useful objects like bicycles, people who are in public spaces, maps, and diagrams.

We can usually upload images that we have created entirely by ourselves. The main exception to this is selfies, which are almost never appropriate and will usually be deleted.

We can’t accept works created or inspired by others. However, you can upload your photographs of old art, statues, and buildings (usually over 150 years old).

Be respectful of privacy and personality rights. Privacy rights may include the right of a person not to be photographed when they are inside a private place like their home unless the person gives permission. Personality rights may include the right to be shown honestly. Editing a photo could be dishonest if the edits make important changes to the content, such as changing the appearance of someone’s clothing from green to purple.

Some areas may have special restrictions on photography. In many countries, private property owners and government officials may place restrictions on taking photos in places like courtrooms, military facilities, and museums.

How should I upload it?

We should give the file a meaningful name that will make it easy for other people to find. The file name can be in any language, e.g. “1965 Ford truck”. For the description, type “1965 Ford truck in a repair shop”.

Now we need to select categories for the photo. [insert automatic category suggestions example here]

[Manual categories] For instance, type “Ford truck” into the category field. Matching options appear, including “Ford trucks”. VISUAL: select “Ford trucks”.

Being more specific is better when that is possible. Let’s search by location [include example]

Editing the file name, adding descriptions and categories, and adding location information can take a little time, but these actions will make the image much easier for other people to find.

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Sounds good! :-)

Maybe one or two slides could give several real-world examples of good and bad pictures, a bit like the ✔✗ at the bottom of http://commons-app.github.io ?

Cheers! Nicolas

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I've extracted passages from the script that I think are relevant, and grouped them. Note that this is still in raw form, I definitely would reword them and summarize them into bullet points once we decide what information we want and what we don't want. :) Please let me know what you think!

Intro

Wikimedia Commons hosts most of the images that are used on the Wikimedia projects, including Wikipedia and Wikidata. Commons hosts images that anyone can use without paying a copyright fee.

What can I upload?

Examples include natural objects like flowers, useful objects like bicycles, people who are in public spaces, maps, and diagrams.

We can usually upload images that we have created entirely by ourselves. Keep in mind that when we upload an image, we grant everyone permission to use, copy, modify, and sell it. Wikipedia is free of charge, and images on Commons are free of copyright fees. However, we usually keep an important right called attribution, which means that anyone who uses the image must give us a written credit.

We can’t accept works created or inspired by others. You can upload your photographs of old art, statues, and buildings (usually over 150 years old).

Be respectful of privacy and personality rights. Privacy rights may include the right of a person not to be photographed when they are inside a private place like their home unless the person gives permission. Personality rights may include the right to be shown honestly. Editing a photo could be dishonest if the edits make important changes to the content, such as changing the appearance of someone’s clothing from green to purple.

Some areas may have special restrictions on photography. In many countries, private property owners and government officials may place restrictions on taking photos in places like courtrooms, military facilities, and museums.

How should I upload it?

We should give the file a meaningful name that will make it easy for other people to find. The file name can be in any language, e.g. “1965 Ford truck”. For the description, type “1965 Ford truck in a repair shop”.

Now we need to select categories for the photo. [insert automatic category suggestions example here]

[Manual categories] For instance, type “Ford truck” into the category field. Matching options appear, including “Ford trucks”. VISUAL: select “Ford trucks”.

Being more specific is better when that is possible. Let’s search by location [include example]

Editing the file name, adding descriptions and categories, and adding location information can take a little time, but these actions will make the image much easier for other people to find.

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

I started working on a draft for the exact pages: https://github.com/commons-app/apps-android-commons/wiki/Tutorial-for-new-users

Thoughts/comments? Is that ready for illustration requests?

@nicolas-raoul I thought I saw the real-world examples on the website before, but can't seem to find them now. Do you have any examples that I could use?

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

I don't remember anything except the "Photo Guideline" part and the list of images that I suggested to use as screenshots.

How about inverting page 5 and 6? To leave people on a positive note :-)

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Good idea, did that. :)

Hm, I will try to see if I can find the list again.

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Posted on Commons village pump: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Wanted:_illustrations_.26_comments_on_tutorial_for_new_users

Hopefully some people volunteer for the illustrations!

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

I took the liberty to modify a few things:

I am not sure about "Areas with special restrictions on photography (e.g. military facilities, some courtrooms & museums, etc)" Did you find a policy page about this? Commons has to obey copyright law but does not care about rules decided by a museum for instance: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:No_photography_signs

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Posted on Commons village pump: https://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Wanted:illustrations.26_ comments_on_tutorial_for_new_users

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

The modifications look good to me, thanks. :)

I took the 'areas with special restrictions' part directly from Pine's script. Should we ask him for the source?

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Yes thanks :-)

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The modifications look good to me, thanks. :)

I took the 'areas with special restrictions' part directly from Pine's script. Should we ask him for the source?

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

Hm, I looked at the source again and it just says:

VISUAL: Fade in a bullet point line that says “Some areas may have special restrictions on photography.” (without the external quotes)

NARRATORS In many countries, private property owners and government officials may place restrictions on taking photos in places like courtrooms, military facilities, and museums.

So I guess I might have misinterpreted it - he is just informing users that they could get in trouble if they take photos there, it might not be actual Commons policy.

Shall we leave it out in that case? I don't think it's worth spending a lot of text to explain the distinction to users.

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Yes, the video might afford to give general life advice to the photographers (similar to "don't get too close when taking a picture of an alligator"), but as for us, I think we should really focus on what is OK/KO from Commons' point of view only.

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Hm, I looked at the source again and it just says:

VISUAL: Fade in a bullet point line that says “Some areas may have special restrictions on photography.” (without the external quotes)

NARRATORS In many countries, private property owners and government officials may place restrictions on taking photos in places like courtrooms, military facilities, and museums.

So I guess I might have misinterpreted it - he is just informing users that they could get in trouble if they take photos there, it might not be actual Commons policy.

Shall we leave it out in that case? I don't think it's worth spending a lot of text to explain the distinction to users.

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nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Do pages 5 and 6 need illustrations? In my understanding, it could be a grid of 2*2 pictures with a short title under each such as "Selfie" "Downloaded image" etc

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Yes, the video might afford to give general life advice to the photographers (similar to "don't get too close when taking a picture of an alligator"), but as for us, I think we should really focus on what is OK/KO from Commons' point of view only.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Josephine Lim notifications@github.com wrote:

Hm, I looked at the source again and it just says:

VISUAL: Fade in a bullet point line that says “Some areas may have special restrictions on photography.” (without the external quotes)

NARRATORS In many countries, private property owners and government officials may place restrictions on taking photos in places like courtrooms, military facilities, and museums.

So I guess I might have misinterpreted it - he is just informing users that they could get in trouble if they take photos there, it might not be actual Commons policy.

Shall we leave it out in that case? I don't think it's worth spending a lot of text to explain the distinction to users.

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

I don't think pages 5 and 6 need illustrations (that's why in my village pump post I only asked for pages 1-4 :)).

I'm not sure what sort of layout we should do for pages 5-6 though. I think 2*2 might be a bit too much for smaller phones? I was just intending to have 2 pics per page.

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Alternatively, if no illustrations are forthcoming, perhaps we could merge the 'real examples' page with the 'please upload' page, and vice versa for 'please do not upload'... so those could be the 'illustrations' for Page 2 and 3. That has the upside of reducing the # of pages that people need to scroll through each time they update/reinstall the app.

And I could put in the Ford truck pic for the 'filling in image details' page (Page 4). Not sure what to put on Page 1 though, maybe we could reuse the original illustration.

misaochan commented 7 years ago

For the real-life good pics examples, where should we do the attribution? Would be too clunky to do it in the tutorial itself I think.

And for the real-life bad pics, if I put a copyrighted pic as an example, wouldn't I be infringing copyright? :/ For selfies I could just search for open-source ones, I guess.

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

Why not! If the pictures are very clear to understand (clearly a selfie, for instance), they can be the size of a thumbnail.

I think that we should find a better example than "1965 Ford truck" because:

About copyright: If we find public domain images (or take them ourselves and license them as public domain or even GNU-GPL), then no need for attribution. I can try to take them, just let me know.

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Alternatively, if no illustrations are forthcoming, perhaps we could merge the 'real examples' page with the 'please upload' page, and vice versa for 'please do not upload'... so those could be the 'illustrations' for Page 2 and 3. That has the upside of reducing the # of pages that people need to scroll through each time they update/reinstall the app.

And I could put in the Ford truck pic for the 'filling in image details' page (Page 4). Not sure what to put on Page 1 though, maybe we could reuse the original illustration.

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

Good point, we should probably change the '1965 Ford Truck'. I'll look into some alternatives.

For the good pics examples, I was actually just planning to use examples directly from Commons (such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rajasthan-Chittore_Garh_15.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kofi_Annan_2012.jpg which was in Pine's script). Do we not need to do attribution if we reuse Commons images?

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

I think we do need to attribute, yes.

Here are many public domain pictures: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Public_domain

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Good point, we should probably change the '1965 Ford Truck'. I'll look into some alternatives.

For the good pics examples, I was actually just planning to use examples directly from Commons (such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/File:Rajasthan-Chittore_Garh_15.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kofi_Annan_2012.jpg which was in Pine's script). Do we not need to do attribution if we reuse Commons images?

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misaochan commented 7 years ago

I looked at several different subcategories within that category, but pretty much all the images I've seen so far have either been very old pictures (black and white) or diagrams/text/drawings. Not sure if I'm looking at the wrong ones...?

If you could take the pics, that would be great. :)

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Hi @nicolas-raoul , any luck with the photos? Alternatively I could try using my own, but I am not a very good photographer. :)

nicolas-raoul commented 7 years ago

wow sorry I totally forgot about this! I will try to do it this weekend.

misaochan commented 7 years ago

No worries, this weekend is good. Thanks!

misaochan commented 7 years ago

Thanks for the pics. Do you think it is a good idea to place a transparent red 'X' over the top of the 'bad pics' to make it easier for lazy readers to understand?