Open tef opened 11 years ago
I guess there's also the argument that it won't affect you unless you were planning to contravene it? What harm does having a code of conduct do someone who did not intend to be a dick?
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Felix
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On 8 Oct 2013, at 11:01, tef notifications@github.com wrote:
Explain "Don't be an asshole" hasn't worked. (Hi Noisebrige) Link to other groups and why they've done it http://jessenoller.com/blog/2012/12/7/the-code-of-conduct Tell people to, ahem, get tae fuck, if they don't like it. — Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub.
Some parts of code of conduct by the way just reiterate the existing law, at least in the UK, which you already have to abide by.
@ntlk it's just a shame that the way those laws are enforced, or interpretations of them mean that these things still happen – Rape Culture anyone?
We're not trying to change anyone's mind, we're trying to explain why we think it's necessary, in a clear way. It might just a link.
My general policy is "If telling you how not to be an asshole offends you, you are welcome to get to fuck"
@didlix that's why I think it's essential to reiterate it.
@felixcohen The argument I was presented with today was 'you shouldn't tell people how to think', and also 'drawing attention to it makes it worse'.
The phrasing I used in reply was:
Cool, then @WhyComputer's not for you. I'm sure there's plenty of other tech groups you can go to. :o)
I'm not actually sure there's a huge need for explaining why there's a code of conduct - if it's not self-evident to someone then they probably just should find something else to do. Perhaps advice for how organisers can respond to those kind of questions?
@johnd I think that's why a page that explains why and then if you don't get it, go away is a good idea so people don't have to repeat themselves
@ntlk Fair enough, that does make sense.
I am :+1: for a page on this.
Me too. As the "but it might put people off" is all too frequent (my response: good, those are people we can do without).
@janepipistrelle +1
This would be very useful. I had this conversation yesterday, and there was basically a period where I wasn't sure if Computer was for them or vice versa, and the end result was to point them at list of other tech social events (they are a fresher, so didn't really have the perspective on why Computer may be necessary.) Maybe that's the flow we should take, answer the immediate "what, why?" question and give them some alternatives?
Aside, i've been asked how to get groups to adopt them. https://gist.github.com/tef/91648b59eb0c03f63b76
we need an explanation that organisers can point to, so they don't need to waste time explaining why "don't be an asshole" has never ever worked