Open LinguList opened 7 years ago
I found the following concepts with "verb" in brackets and commas:
ID | GLOSS | new GLOSS |
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2065 | STEP (VERB) | STEP (MOVEMENT OF FEET) |
2067 | STEAM (VERB) | STEAM (SOMETHING) |
2068 | BRAISE (VERB) | BRAISE (SOMETHING) |
2069 | SOAK (VERB) | SOAK (SOMETHING) |
2070 | COMB (VERB) | COMB (HAIR) |
2071 | LAY (VERB) | LAY (DOWN SOMETHING) |
2072 | USE (VERB) | USE (SOMETHING) |
2073 | ROB (VERB) | ROB (SOMEONE) |
2074 | CROW (VERB) | CROW (OF ROOSTER) |
2075 | BROOD (VERB) | BROOD (AN EGG) |
2076 | SPROUT (VERB) | SPROUT (FROM A SEED) |
2217 | YOKE (VERB) | YOKE (SOMETHING) |
2227 | SPAWN (VERB) | SPAWN (PRODUCED BY FISH OR FROGS) |
2377 | FLASH (VERB) | FLASH (OF LIGHT) |
2378 | THUNDER (VERB) | THUNDER (THUNDERING) |
3294 | BRAID (VERB) OR WEAVE (BASKET) | BRAID (SOMETHING) OR WEAVE (BASKET) |
3295 | BRAID (VERB) | BRAID (SOMETHING) |
3302 | QUARREL (VERB) | QUARREL (OF PEOPLE) |
3544 | WAVE (VERB) | WAVE (OF THE HAND) |
363 | DWELL (LIVE, RESIDE) | DWELL (LIVE OR RESIDE) |
2319 | LID (COVER, CAP) | LID (COVER OR CAP) |
2472 | SUCKLE (BREASTFEED, NURSE) | SUCKLE (BREASTFEED OR NURSE) |
My suggestions for new glosses are in the last column. I tried to make it more consistent with the other concept glosses that we have for verbs.
This is a very nice way of presenting the changes! Do you mind if I make a couple of suggestions? I would avoid the of-phrase with verbal concepts where possible. For example, I would propose:
WAVE (WITH HAND) instead of WAVE (OF HAND).
QUARREL (ARGUE) instead of QUARREL (OF PEOPLE).
SPAWN (SOMETHING) instead of SPAWN (PRODUCED BY FISH OR FROGS) although it is not so specific as what you've proposed but otherwise the past participle points to the nominal nature of the concept which is not the case here.
Good idea!
But I agree with @Kristina-Pianykh that some should be changed to something different as your suggestion makes it sound like they are not referring to verbs.
This also applies to STEP (MOVEMENT OF FEET) - better STEP (MOVE FEET) and FLASH (OF LIGHT) - not sure about how to call this one, though.
We have another convention for verbs, which consists in using the "-ing" form, although this is not necessarily ideal, consider 104 HAILING.
In any case: this issue needs a good discussion and should not happen for 3.2, I think, as we will need a bit more time for this, and the explicit consent of many concepticon editors.
Thanks for your comments! Yes, this issue wasn't meant to be solved immediately. But since it is open for a while now I wanted to stir up a conversation so that it can be solved in the future. In addition, it made me aware of the naming convention which is useful when introducing new concepts in the future.
Here is the adapted version of the table (as always these are suggestions and meant to be discussed):
ID | GLOSS | new GLOSS |
---|---|---|
2065 | STEP (VERB) | STEP (MOVE FEET) |
2067 | STEAM (VERB) | STEAM (SOMETHING) |
2068 | BRAISE (VERB) | BRAISE (SOMETHING) |
2069 | SOAK (VERB) | SOAK (SOMETHING) |
2070 | COMB (VERB) | COMB (HAIR) |
2071 | LAY (VERB) | LAY (DOWN SOMETHING) |
2072 | USE (VERB) | USE (SOMETHING) |
2073 | ROB (VERB) | ROB (SOMEONE) |
2074 | CROW (VERB) | CROW (OF ROOSTER) |
2075 | BROOD (VERB) | BROOD (AN EGG) |
2076 | SPROUT (VERB) | SPROUT (FROM A SEED) |
2217 | YOKE (VERB) | YOKE (SOMETHING) |
2227 | SPAWN (VERB) | SPAWN (SOMETHING) |
2377 | FLASH (VERB) | FLASH (SHINE) |
2378 | THUNDER (VERB) | THUNDER (THUNDERING) |
3294 | BRAID (VERB) OR WEAVE (BASKET) | BRAID (SOMETHING) OR WEAVE (BASKET) |
3295 | BRAID (VERB) | BRAID (SOMETHING) |
3302 | QUARREL (VERB) | QUARREL (ARGUE) |
3544 | WAVE (VERB) | WAVE (WITH HAND) |
363 | DWELL (LIVE, RESIDE) | DWELL (LIVE OR RESIDE) |
2319 | LID (COVER, CAP) | LID (COVER OR CAP) |
2472 | SUCKLE (BREASTFEED, NURSE) | SUCKLE (BREASTFEED OR NURSE) |
We are a bit inconsistent with the concept labels. This does not necessarily hurt for the moment, but we should at least
One could standardize the whole verb/noun distinction by adding "process" vs. "action" or "thing" in brackets, but I personally prefer to be closer to the human practice which is often also different across concepts, but would add concrete nouns, i.e., potential objects, to make it easier to disambiguate the meaning. As our major purpose is to make disambiguation easy and quick, we should follow this practice but maybe additionally