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change concept labels in inconsistent cases (when "verb" is used in brackets") #332

Open LinguList opened 7 years ago

LinguList commented 7 years ago

We are a bit inconsistent with the concept labels. This does not necessarily hurt for the moment, but we should at least

One could standardize the whole verb/noun distinction by adding "process" vs. "action" or "thing" in brackets, but I personally prefer to be closer to the human practice which is often also different across concepts, but would add concrete nouns, i.e., potential objects, to make it easier to disambiguate the meaning. As our major purpose is to make disambiguation easy and quick, we should follow this practice but maybe additionally

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

I found the following concepts with "verb" in brackets and commas:

ID GLOSS new GLOSS
2065 STEP (VERB) STEP (MOVEMENT OF FEET)
2067 STEAM (VERB) STEAM (SOMETHING)
2068 BRAISE (VERB) BRAISE (SOMETHING)
2069 SOAK (VERB) SOAK (SOMETHING)
2070 COMB (VERB) COMB (HAIR)
2071 LAY (VERB) LAY (DOWN SOMETHING)
2072 USE (VERB) USE (SOMETHING)
2073 ROB (VERB) ROB (SOMEONE)
2074 CROW (VERB) CROW (OF ROOSTER)
2075 BROOD (VERB) BROOD (AN EGG)
2076 SPROUT (VERB) SPROUT (FROM A SEED)
2217 YOKE (VERB) YOKE (SOMETHING)
2227 SPAWN (VERB) SPAWN (PRODUCED BY FISH OR FROGS)
2377 FLASH (VERB) FLASH (OF LIGHT)
2378 THUNDER (VERB) THUNDER (THUNDERING)
3294 BRAID (VERB) OR WEAVE (BASKET) BRAID (SOMETHING) OR WEAVE (BASKET)
3295 BRAID (VERB) BRAID (SOMETHING)
3302 QUARREL (VERB) QUARREL (OF PEOPLE)
3544 WAVE (VERB) WAVE (OF THE HAND)
363 DWELL (LIVE, RESIDE) DWELL (LIVE OR RESIDE)
2319 LID (COVER, CAP) LID (COVER OR CAP)
2472 SUCKLE (BREASTFEED, NURSE) SUCKLE (BREASTFEED OR NURSE)

My suggestions for new glosses are in the last column. I tried to make it more consistent with the other concept glosses that we have for verbs.

Kristina-Pianykh commented 4 years ago

This is a very nice way of presenting the changes! Do you mind if I make a couple of suggestions? I would avoid the of-phrase with verbal concepts where possible. For example, I would propose:

Schweikhard commented 4 years ago

Good idea!

But I agree with @Kristina-Pianykh that some should be changed to something different as your suggestion makes it sound like they are not referring to verbs.

This also applies to STEP (MOVEMENT OF FEET) - better STEP (MOVE FEET) and FLASH (OF LIGHT) - not sure about how to call this one, though.

LinguList commented 4 years ago

We have another convention for verbs, which consists in using the "-ing" form, although this is not necessarily ideal, consider 104 HAILING.

In any case: this issue needs a good discussion and should not happen for 3.2, I think, as we will need a bit more time for this, and the explicit consent of many concepticon editors.

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

Thanks for your comments! Yes, this issue wasn't meant to be solved immediately. But since it is open for a while now I wanted to stir up a conversation so that it can be solved in the future. In addition, it made me aware of the naming convention which is useful when introducing new concepts in the future.

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

Here is the adapted version of the table (as always these are suggestions and meant to be discussed):

ID GLOSS new GLOSS
2065 STEP (VERB) STEP (MOVE FEET)
2067 STEAM (VERB) STEAM (SOMETHING)
2068 BRAISE (VERB) BRAISE (SOMETHING)
2069 SOAK (VERB) SOAK (SOMETHING)
2070 COMB (VERB) COMB (HAIR)
2071 LAY (VERB) LAY (DOWN SOMETHING)
2072 USE (VERB) USE (SOMETHING)
2073 ROB (VERB) ROB (SOMEONE)
2074 CROW (VERB) CROW (OF ROOSTER)
2075 BROOD (VERB) BROOD (AN EGG)
2076 SPROUT (VERB) SPROUT (FROM A SEED)
2217 YOKE (VERB) YOKE (SOMETHING)
2227 SPAWN (VERB) SPAWN (SOMETHING)
2377 FLASH (VERB) FLASH (SHINE)
2378 THUNDER (VERB) THUNDER (THUNDERING)
3294 BRAID (VERB) OR WEAVE (BASKET) BRAID (SOMETHING) OR WEAVE (BASKET)
3295 BRAID (VERB) BRAID (SOMETHING)
3302 QUARREL (VERB) QUARREL (ARGUE)
3544 WAVE (VERB) WAVE (WITH HAND)
363 DWELL (LIVE, RESIDE) DWELL (LIVE OR RESIDE)
2319 LID (COVER, CAP) LID (COVER OR CAP)
2472 SUCKLE (BREASTFEED, NURSE) SUCKLE (BREASTFEED OR NURSE)