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Kibrik-2012-122: Add more concept sets to increase coverage #436

Open LinguList opened 6 years ago

LinguList commented 6 years ago

This list is interesting, as it contains verbs which are early acquired by children. Based on an earlier psycholinguistic study. It is also one of the rare cases where typological studies in contrast to linguistic studies are emphasized.

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

Prepared a first draft of this list, just something to get started: Kibrik-2012-122.tsv.zip

Also, bibliographic information:

@article{kibrik2012,
  title={Toward a typology of verbal lexical systems: A case study in Northern Athabaskan},
  author={Kibrik, Andrej A.},
  journal={Linguistics},
  volume={50},
  number={3},
  pages={495--532},
  year={2012},
  doi={10.1515/ling-2012-0017},
  url={https://doi.org/10.1515/ling-2012-0017}
}
chrzyki commented 6 years ago

Might as well take this, then. :) Any lists/references to keep in mind for this one?

LinguList commented 6 years ago

I haven't had time to really read this paper. What I think is important is to trace a bit the history (they take it from age-of-acquisition, do we find the original list, etc?). We want to re-use the data for a study on verbal derivation, and I'd suggest you add @laiyunfan as a reviewer of the mappings, as this list is in general interest of the CALC people...

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

Question: They have 'leave' in possession/change of state/exchange and possession of objects. I take it this is the Russian оставить, what would be good equivalent in Concepticon (if already available)?

LinguList commented 6 years ago

So German "da lassen". We don't have it, I'm afraid...

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

Thanks!

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

@LinguList Have added a couple of comments in the commit in the branch that is going to be PRed when ready. :)

Thanks for your help!

https://github.com/clld/concepticon-data/commit/646aab3bd8758b58d1324f723a60c9fa770c14b6

LinguList commented 6 years ago

My next PR will add Russian words. I list here the missing definitions in concepticon that should/could be added:

  1. switch on (turn on) (anmachen, also das Licht)
  2. switch off (turn off) (ausmachen, also das Licht)
  3. leave (something for someone) (im Sinne von "dalassen" oder "übriglassen")
  4. move (something): this concept should be added in addition to MOVE, and we should add a relation from MOVE as broader than move (oneself) and move (something), as it is often not distinguished properly
  5. lock (something) (im Sinne "verschließen")
  6. bump (hit or knock against something) (maybe shorter def, but we need something like "anstoßen", intransitive)
  7. roll (something) German "rollen/wälzen"
  8. stick (insert) German "stecken"
  9. wave (with arms) German 'winken"
  10. hurt (feel pain) German "schmerzen (intr.)"

that's all, I'd say, I'll push my updated list soon.

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

Adding to that:

LinguList commented 6 years ago

I'd leave those unlinked for the time being. 'pat' is potentially "streicheln", rather important for kiddies, rub is too specific (einreiben), try (clothes on) is not really what it is in the Russian form, mean to do something should be checked against things like "INTEND" and if added, better glossed as INTEND, in case of brush general, brush (teeth) needs to be a) checked for the definition and the current links (maybe it's NOT brush teeth, but teeth is just a descriptor gloss), and if adding BRUSH (SOMETHING), it should be broader than BRUSH (TEETH).

chrzyki commented 6 years ago

I see, makes sense. :) Thanks!

LinguList commented 5 years ago

Adding @laiyunfan to help here later, as this is probably important for study of causative or similar in ST.