QUIVER (995) incorrectly replaced by SHIVER (52)

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QUIVER (995) incorrectly replaced by SHIVER (52) #898

Closed chrzyki closed 4 years ago

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

QUIVER (995) (container to store arrows) is incorrectly replaced by the verb 'to shiver'. This also has lead to a number of (potential? feedback appreciated) problematic mappings:

purely based on the context, I suspect that Swadesh-1950-165-157 is not the verb but the actual QUIVER
likewise, the Hausa (kwari) and context in Kraft-1981-434-236 refer to the QUIVER
more info needed for Dunn-2011-146-81 (I think it's the verb)
more info needed for Bodt-2019-664-382 (I think it's the verb)

LinguList commented 4 years ago

For Swadesh, the source should be consulted, for Bodt and Dunn, we should contact the authors.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

I've checked the Swadesh article but, as far as I can tell, it doesn't give any information on the intended meaning.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

@AnnikaTjuka and @Schweikhard, could I ask for your help/input/opinion on this?

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

The mapping of Swadesh-1950-165-157 indeed seems to refer to QUIVER, not SHIVER.

In the case of Kraft-1981-434-236, I found a translation that indicates that the mapping to SHIVER is correct.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

The mapping of Swadesh-1950-165-157 indeed seems to refer to QUIVER, not SHIVER.

In the case of Kraft-1981-434-236, I found a translation that indicates that the mapping to SHIVER is correct.

Curious, I checked kwari here:

https://hausadictionary.com/kwari -> quiver for arrows.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

The mapping of Swadesh-1950-165-157 indeed seems to refer to QUIVER, not SHIVER.

In the case of Kraft-1981-434-236, I found a translation that indicates that the mapping to SHIVER is correct.

Ah, heh, the translation on Glosbe is pulled from Concepticon, taking the (presumably) wrong mapping to SHIVER.

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

Ah ok, so kwàrī is not necessarily the correct translation? I found that there seem to be more than one kwari, but written differently: kwàrī, kwari, kwárìi

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

This one also matches the diacritics/intonation:

kwari

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

I see. Then it should be remapped. Regarding the Dunn data, I just found a statement that the list is based on Swadesh. Regarding the Bodt data, I asked @MacyL for her help.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

Thank you!

AnnikaTjuka commented 4 years ago

Bodt-2019-664-382 quiver can be mapped to QUIVER.

chrzyki commented 4 years ago

Thank you for clarifying!