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Central repository to collect community feature requests and improvements. The CWA development ends on May 31, 2023. You still can warn other users until April 30, 2023. More information:
https://coronawarn.app/en/faq/#ramp_down
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USA #41

Open charlesvestal opened 4 years ago

charlesvestal commented 4 years ago

Please release the iOS and Android apps in the US store.

Internal Tracking ID: EXPOSUREAPP-2041

jucktnich commented 3 years ago

The data gets transferred encrypted I think, and maybe for German Apple IDs/google play accounts there are restrictions to Apple/google what to do with the data.

treysis commented 3 years ago

Yes, but e.g. with the Swiss app, I still access the German data. The Swiss app is available internationally, so that app would be able to access the data from every place on Earth.

And no, there is no restriction. You can sideload the app and it works just fine. Google and Apple just do the ENF stuff. It doesn't access additional data.

Oh, and if this is all illegal: why is Corona Contact Tracing Germany (the Google-free fork) available internationally? They must be violating the law, according to the RKI?

jucktnich commented 3 years ago

@treysis the fork can't be restricted I guess

jucktnich commented 3 years ago

@treysis the thing with the Swiss app:

@treysis Note: I'm not a lawyer I think it's illegal to share health data to other countries under German law. (Seems this is not the case for RPIs under the DSGVO). There's one exception: countries with comparable privacy laws (f.e. other EU member states). What then happens in the other country is not under German privacy law.

treysis commented 3 years ago

You can restrict anything by law. Send them a letter to cease and desist if they are obviously acting against the law? Why doesn't the RKI intervene? They're accessing German infrastructure.

I understood your second sentence. But you didn't understand mine: if RKI knows that data is being exfiltrated from Germany, and that that restriction is not limited to the country with which there is a contract...how can it be legal to allow this country to access the data? Exactly: it wouldn't be legal. With the current interpretation, Germany would have to opt out of the European collaboration until every participating country enforces the "restrictions" on their apps.

jucktnich commented 3 years ago

@treysis I just want to point out, that I'm NOT a lawyer, this is only knowledge I picked up somewhere this is a legal loophole I think. If you transfer the data to another country, the German law doesn't apply. But you can transfer data to a country with comparable (not necessary equal) privacy laws. And if the data gets transferred to the country, you guessed it, German law doesn't apply anymore.

treysis commented 3 years ago

This is ping pong now. Yes, the law doesn't apply anymore. But this raises the question if Germany is allowed to transfer the data in the first place.

jucktnich commented 3 years ago

@treysis yes it is if I got this right.

yspreen commented 3 years ago

So I guess we mail our local politicians now

vaubaehn commented 3 years ago

Hi all, just because this issue was raised again lately here: https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-app-android/issues/3942

For a short sum-up about the reasons, why it is currently not (easily) possible to get Corona-Warn-App when you're non-EU-resident:

  1. political implications
  2. Google's policies prevent you from changing your "Play Store Country" more than once per year

But for another good solution for Android phones: There is a fork of Corona-Warn-App with same/similar functionality and same data privacy. You will find all related information here: https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-wishlist/issues/612

treysis commented 3 years ago
  • political implications

Nope. It's due to wrong interpretation of laws and objection to revise a decision.

vaubaehn commented 3 years ago

Nope. It's due to wrong interpretation of laws and objection to revise a decision.

I agree with you. But I guess the correct interpretation of laws and revising the decision would be the job of our politicians and their consultants? So, in very brief this could be included in

  • political implications

Anyway, one could spend much time to try to improve the system. Or, pragmatically use the best alternative: Corona-Warn-Apps fork. My 2 cents.

Ein-Tim commented 3 years ago

FYI: If you want to store your EU digital COVID certificate in a German wallet app, but you have an American AppleID/Google Account, you will soon be able to download the CovPass-App, to store your certificates: https://github.com/Digitaler-Impfnachweis/covpass-ios/issues/4#issuecomment-912005008 says:

Hi all, the app will come for the US market with one of the next releases. Best regards!

DaveyM84 commented 3 years ago

FYI: If you want to store your EU digital COVID certificate in a German wallet app, but you have an American AppleID/Google Account, you will soon be able to download the CovPass-App, to store your certificates: Digitaler-Impfnachweis/covpass-ios#4 (comment) says:

Hi all, the app will come for the US market with one of the next releases. Best regards!

This is excellent news! Thanks @Ein-Tim and all involved!

Cantfigurethisout commented 2 years ago

I still can't download the CovPass app in the us app store. Need to get a local bank/payment source to transfer Google store country. This stop would be useful however I can't get it right now. Possibly after I am better situated in the country. It is a shame that us transplants in Germany are barred from apps that will help us stay safe! Hopefully this needless restriction is removed soon.

TheTravelGeek commented 2 years ago

I still can't download the CovPass app in the us app store.

If you have an Android device, it’s now available in the f-droid App Store.

DaveyM84 commented 2 years ago

FYI: If you want to store your EU digital COVID certificate in a German wallet app, but you have an American AppleID/Google Account, you will soon be able to download the CovPass-App, to store your certificates: Digitaler-Impfnachweis/covpass-ios#4 (comment) says:

Hi all, the app will come for the US market with one of the next releases. Best regards!

This is excellent news! Thanks @Ein-Tim and all involved!

Unfortunately I have to retract a little bit of my earlier joy and thanks - in my over excitement I misread @Ein-Tim’s comment as meaning the CoronaWarn app. My bad :-( Don’t get me wrong, still great that CovPass will be available in the US store soon, it just would be so much better if CoronaWarn app was joining it there too, and that’s the one that really needs to get there...

Ein-Tim commented 2 years ago

@DaveyM84

With the latest release, version 1.10, CovPass is now finally available in the US app store.

dsarkar commented 2 years ago

@Ein-Tim Thanks for distributing the information.

MSDNAndi commented 2 years ago

I still don't understand why Corona-Warn-App is not made available in the US iOS Store. A US person can create a German Apple account and nothing stops them from logging into the App Store and installing the app. There is no verification of residency, location, or phone number to create a German Apple account.

Even the US military describes the workaround to get the App installed:

https://www.army.mil/article/247734/optional_how_to_get_the_eu_covid_vax_digital_certificate_in_germany It is inconvenient and e.g. I would lose all my stored "stuff" in my Apple Wallet if I do that, but I could do it and nothing would stop me really, it's not illegal either.

So, with that I am saying - It seems to me like a decision made based on false premises to not make the app available to whomever wants to install it.

treysis commented 2 years ago

So, with that I am saying - It seems to me like a decision made based on false premises to not make the app available to whomever wants to install it.

Yes. But RKI (or their weird lawyers) won't change their decision without a court ruling.

jucktnich commented 2 years ago

@MSDNAndi if you create an German AppStore account you maybe agree to other TOS? 🤷‍♂️

g5r6p2 commented 2 years ago

I agree with wanting CWA published in the US Google Play Store for all of the above stated reasons. Currently, I have sideloaded it, but it would be less work for me if the Play Store had it.

rugk commented 2 years ago

@g5r6p2 You can also just install the fork CCTG.

treysis commented 2 years ago

@rugk CCTG is not guaranteed to not get killed in the background by the Android OS.

rugk commented 2 years ago

A because it cannot use Googles Exposure Notification framework, yeah…