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Creator Assertions Working Group :: Identity Assertion
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Authoring vs. Ownership #46

Closed lrosenthol closed 3 months ago

lrosenthol commented 4 months ago

One of the items that appears to have come up multiple times in the first CAWG meeting was around "ownership". I would like to suggest that the WG NOT focus on ownership, but instead on authorship. Ownership implies rights and legal standing with respect to the asset, while authorship does not - it simply declares the involvement of the party in the creation/editing of the content of asset.

andyparsons commented 4 months ago

I agree and lean strongly toward authorship, which may imply ownership, but does not necessarily indicate it. Given the fraught, contentious field of copyright during current times we should delay or entirely avoid rights.

talltree commented 4 months ago

Authorship would indeed be a much simpler assertion to tackle initially. Could "ownership" (e.g., copyright, other rights) be tackled by other C2PA assertion types (pardon my ignorance, I'm new to C2PA specs).

jcollomosse commented 4 months ago

I agree with all the above. C2PA did a good job focusing exclusively on creation provenance i.e. authorship and avoided ownership and rights - not just for cleaner scoping but because other ecosystems do a good job focusing on them. It would be good to continue this tight scoping, and 'link out' e.g. via assertions to those other ecosystems. An example would be linking to ownership provenance in NFT, which we made some initial prototypes of in our paper. https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.04639 There we used the Asset reference assertion (ARA) but there's some reasonable question over whether that is entirely the correct thing to have used.

puhley commented 4 months ago

To me, "ownership" is the step after "authorship". For instance, with "authorship," you are saying that, "I created this." With ownership, you are saying, "I created this and I am claiming legal protections for this content". However, you could also release something under "creative commons" where you state, "I authored this, but people are free to use it." I agree with stopping at "authorship" to keep the spec focused versus going down all the possible "ownership" paths.

scouten-adobe commented 4 months ago

Per 26 February 2024 meeting, @scouten-adobe to draft a PR to clarify that identity assertion intends to convey authorship and not copyright or ownership.