Open mrocklin opened 4 years ago
+1 for co-czarring from me. I've found co-czarring to be a pleasant experience
Can you say a bit more about what made it a pleasant experience? I haven't done this before, and I think it would be useful to figure out some sort of structure as a group.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 AM James Bourbeau notifications@github.com wrote:
+1 for co-czarring from me. I've found co-czarring to be a pleasant experience
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Yeah, definitely. Here are a few thoughts:
I found going through issues / PRs together on a video chat to be really helpful with knowledge transfer. Using a higher bandwidth form of communication really lowered the bar for asking questions and quickly providing additional context or some institutional knowledge.
It's nice to have someone in the trenches with you. In particular during a high-traffic weeks when it's easy to get overwhelmed with notifications.
Video chats also help with team building. Outside of a weekly 30 minute meeting, this group primarily communicates on GitHub. This is great for dealing with everyone's busy schedule, but I personally get a lot of value out of video chatting with others here. In particular since we don't all work at the same institution and get to interact through other means, chatting while czarring makes this feel more like a cohesive group.
Sometimes going through issues / PRs together can be much more efficient than going through them solo. You can just ask the other person what they think about something instead of pinging them on GitHub with the same question. (Though we still want to summarize offline conversations on GitHub both for future reference and for others who weren't part of the offline conversation)
(This is a lower priority point) I enjoy seeing how others go about their work. For example, I didn't know about git grep
until I saw @quasiben use it when screen sharing. Now I use git grep
all the time. Small productivity things like this are a great fringe benefit of video chats.
For the sake of having something concrete, I'll propose that we continue monitoring issues and PRs on GitHub as we have been, but now with two people to manage the load. Additionally, we have a daily 30 minute video chat between maintenance czars to check in and go through the current set of backlog notifications.
That's just one possible way of doing things. What do others think?
I've also enjoyed co-czaring, though it can be more of an up-front time commitment when on-boarding a new czar.
Yeah, I think that we might want to figure out what works well between two czars of different levels. For example, perhaps the new-czar (baby-czar? czar-ushka?) takes a first crack at things, hopefully this clears out the rote activities (like asking people to provide minimal examples) and then the two sync up afterwards? Ideally some division of labor makes it easier for all involved, rather than a strictly increasing amount of work for the old-czar.
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I've also enjoyed co-czaring, though it can be more of an up-front time commitment when on-boarding a new czar.
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@gforsyth and I are co-czarring this week. We'll report back on how things go at the meeting next week
For background, a group of people working at various companies donate 20-25% of their time to maintain the various Dask issue trackers Each Tuesday, one of those ~suckers~ contributors volunteers to be the "maintenance czar" who is in principle responsible for making sure that things run smoothly. This involves ...
It's an intense and time consuming job, even when you know what you're doing. And it's actually pretty hard to know what you're doing because this jobs requires a broad set of technical and social expertise:
Being Czar builds these skills, but it's painful to start, both for the czar, and for the community, who probably gets sub-optimal response that week.
Recently (maybe because of at-home quarantine?) we have a growth in both demand and supply.
As a result Czarring has become more intense (at least for me). I would like to suggest that we start co-czarring, intentionally combining someone who is familiar with this task, and someone who is new. I also think that we should figure out a steady practice (daily video checkins?) that they do together to be productive both in handling the inbox, and also in knowledge transfer.
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