Prepare the publicbodies.org ODD 2022 Sprint

[augusto-herrmann]

The Open Data Day 2022 is only a few days from now and it would be nice to do a sprint for publicbodies.org. For that, we need to prepare a few things:

• [x] choose a messaging tool for organizing the event (we're using the Matrix channel #publicbodies.org:matrix.org)
• [ ] agree upon a schedule (there are people interested in it from many different time zones)
• [ ] prioritize and pick which issues we will work on
  • candidate issues and possibilities:
  • data validation: #135;
  • reorganize data structure, as suggested by @mattiasaxell (issues with label "Data model")
  • automatic data updates from sources, e.g. #15, #18, #59, #81, #116;
  • new UI and/or frontend (as suggested by @nikeshbalami in chat)
• [x] choose the tool set for the video call (and possibly streaming / recording)
• [x] choose a messaging tool for participants (possibly the same Matrix channel?)
• [ ] add the event to the map on opendataday.org website (where, considering there isn't a single physical location?)

If you'd like to help, just reply to this thread or use the chat on #publicbodies.org:matrix.org channel on Matrix.

[augusto-herrmann]

Since not even one person expressed interest in participating in this proposed activity, I'm now cancelling the proposed Open Data Day workshop.

[mattiasaxell]

@augusto-herrmann Can it maybe work if we make a RSVP-link with dates that are 1-2 months ahead? Or if we join to discuss the issue at a Friday coffee break with govdirectory.org? Link and info: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Govdirectory/Events

I see MySociety, Alaveteli network, OK network, Wikidata and GovDirectory as relevant actors to be invited. Perhaps also groups from https://www.w3.org/community/groups/ like https://www.w3.org/community/opengov/ which latest post is about this issue: https://www.w3.org/community/opengov/2016/02/21/core-public-organisation-vocabulary/

[morisy]

I'd also be interested in scheduling out for a future date! my username at gmail is best email.

[augusto-herrmann]

Actually, we did do an activity planned in the last minute on the Open Data Day with Open Knowledge Nepal, thanks to @nikeshbalami.

@mattiasaxell, great idea! Are you already in contact with some of these groups? Would you be willing to arrange this with them?

@morisy, how about we discuss this in the Matrix chat #publicbodies.org:matrix.org? That way everyone can participate in the discussions.

[mattiasaxell]

Great! I saw some activity!

@augusto-herrmann Yes I am. I will send out a Framadate link to all of you to book a date and time for a meeting. Will try to think of what can work in terms of meeting time for Brazil, U.S., England, Sweden.

@morisy You're more than welcome to join the chat!

[mattiasaxell]

Dear @augusto-herrmann @morisy @garethrees @gbp @salgo60 @dpriskorn @ainali @Abbe98 @nikeshbalami @laurentS @loleg @todrobbins,

You've shown interest beforet in standardized publishing of data about public bodies and linking them to PublicBodies.org, Wikidata and Freedom of Information sites ( #116 #82 #119 )

Tonight I found out about this event happening today on Oct 27 and I think it makes sense to participate and ride on this wave instead of trying to do a public body dataset specification / vocabulary on our own. Can we feedback at their GitHub before and during this event? Perhaps this EU initiative support relevant national authorities worldwide to publish linked open data connected to Wikidata & GovDirectory) and make it available to FOI sites like AskTheEU, WhatDoTheyKnow and Handlingar.se? The invitation:

Dear Working Group Member,

We are delighted to invite you to the first webinar in our series dedicated to the review of the Core Vocabularies which will take place on 27 October 2022, from 10:30 to 12:30.

In spite of a major release of the Core Vocabularies in the past months, we want to report on the ongoing maintenance and use the webinar as a touch-point with the SEMIC community.

Some issues were raised on GitHub which we would like to solve. In addition, we would like to dedicate most of the time to the changes to Core Public Event (CPEV).

The agenda of the webinar is the following:

Objective of the webinar

• Updates on Core Location
• Updates on Core Public Organisation
• Presenting Core Public Event

Next steps and wrap up

In the meantime, please go through the list of open issues on GitHub and raise your issues/comments.

We are looking forward to discussing the pending issues with you!

Sincerely yours,

The SEMIC team

Title: Webinar dedicated to the review of the Core Vocabularies Start Time: 27/10/2022 10:30 Attendee link: meet.google.com/udt-iykd-uio

[dpriskorn]

What time zone is it?

[salgo60]

What time zone is it? @dpriskorn

CET link event

• GITHUB Semantic Interoperability Community

[dpriskorn]

What time zone is it?

@dpriskorn

CET link event

• GITHUB Semantic Interoperability Community

I'm planning to participate 😀

[salgo60]

Do they know the WD work that is done

• Wikidata:WikiProject_Govdirectory
• Wikidata:WikiProject_Country_subdivision/Items
• Wikidata:WikiProject every politician

[augusto-herrmann]

Thanks for the heads up, @mattiasaxell.

I also received an invitation by email. Unfortunately, it was on too short notice (less than 24 hours) and I already had other commitments at the day. The lack of time zone information was also confusing – I only saw the answers in this thread after the event.

Can anyone who participated comment on how the work group meeting was?

[dpriskorn]

Thanks for the heads up, @mattiasaxell.

I also received an invitation by email. Unfortunately, it was on too short notice (less than 24 hours) and I already had other commitments at the day. The lack of time zone information was also confusing – I only saw the answers in this thread after the event.

Can anyone who participated comment on how the work group meeting was?

It was my first time in that type of meeting. They talked a lot about fine details in the RDF data model. I found the whole thing quite pointless since instead of reinventing the wheel they could just link to a Wikibase or Wikidata where the information is stored. OSM and Wikidata already solved all the issues they seem to have in their model 🤷‍♂️ These days having an ontology outside of a Wikibase installation seems like intentionally poking yourself in the eye with a stick to me at least. I have seen a lot of garbage ontologies during my time as volunteer. For example in the librisxl system from the national library of Sweden. I tried pinpointing the identity of the most active participants and added two of them to Wikidata. One of them had written an interesting paper that I found interesting. I can post links if anyone is interested.

[salgo60]

I found the whole thing quite pointless

@dpriskorn I agree I see a #Linkeddata anti pattern that we have people just speaking about RDF and nothing gets delivered

• good patterna I have seen
  • WIkidata was done 2012 with a small very skilled team with a focus on deliver
    • done fast - start 1 april 2012 - first delivery oct 2012
    • based on the RENDER project --> The goal of this project is to explore and support the diversity of knowledge on the Web
    • follow the patterns of Wikipedia with versions history, subscription, easy to discuss things, trust that users have good intentions and that user themself are a self regulating system that in the end will deliver good data....
  • Today in SWEDEN we dont have a common understanding of FAIRDATA F1 - see the Europeana project that been running since 2012 just delivering strings not Things it took en:Wikipedia 2019 dec 1 hour to see the problem