davidmpye / V10_Dyson_BMS

A reworked unofficial firmware for Dyson V10 Battery Management Systems
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V11 and V15 (SV22) Support #8

Open Gucioo opened 9 months ago

Gucioo commented 9 months ago

My battery from Dyson V15 detect (SV22) stopped working suddenly, even it had 14 minutes left on LCD.
It didn't give any power and did not light any LED. I opened it and measured the cells voltage and there were 4x 3.1 V and 3x 3.5 V, this is probably the case where they go out of balance and uC locks battery output. I charged remaining 4 cells to 3.5 V, so now all cells are at the same level - 3.5 V. This didn't recover battery pack. Connecting charger doesn't trigger LED or V out either.

I found your firmware and topic on the forum, which is very helpfull. Dyson is clearly putting bad practice in to BMS batteries. Forcing to buy new battery, even though old one is usable. I can us old one for tests or provide some details / images to help.

Looking at wiki under section V11, I decided to give it a go and flash the firmware using Rpi4.

I compiled new firmware with following change to the config.h, as per your advice:

define ENABLE_CHARGE_PIN PIN_PA01 // V10 PIN_PA02

Now battery BMS seems to be giving some signs of life. Still no output on the main Pins. but there are 2 flashes of blue LED, it only has 2 blue LEDs and you already know it :) looking at your wiki error list:

BMS_ERR_PACK_UNDERTEMP Pack is below -40 if attempting discharge, or -0 if attempting charge.

This would lead to incorrect/missing mapping of RTDs?

There are 2 RTDs and I measured their resistance: 38 Ohms and 39 Ohms.

//PA07 is attached to thermistor RT1

I can remove glue from PCB and maybe trace back RTD pins, if that will help bring compatibility with V11&V15.

SV22-001 SV22-002 SV22-003 SV22-004 SV22-005 SV22-006 SV22-007 SV22-008 SV22-009 SV22-010 SV22-011

Kudos to you David. It would be fantastic if these old batteries could work again with our vacuums. I know there is still serial protocol that have to be figured out, but you did already great work.

Gucioo commented 9 months ago

I verified pinouts for V15 and enabled Serial Debug as David mentioned in other topic

RESET PA31 SWDIO PA30 SWCLK PA00 PA11 - Rx Sercom0 > PA10 - Tx Sercom0 GND Vdd (3.3v)

So PA10 and PA11 can be connected to a USB-serial converter or similar at 115200baud and you can see the debug output.

By setting temp limits to - 300 & -400 battery pack is charging and giving output when trigger is pressed.

#define MIN_PACK_CHARGE_TEMP -300               //'C - if less than this, no charge.
#define MIN_PACK_DISCHARGE_TEMP -400            //'C - if less than this, no discharge

This is output from debug serial: _Dyson V10 BMS Aftermarket firmware init (C) David Pye davidmpye@gmail.com GNU GPL v3.0 or later Pack cell voltages: Cell 0: 3659 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 1: 3686 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 2: 3667 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 3: 3651 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 4: 3745 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 5: 3749 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV Cell 6: 3742 mV, min 2500 mV, max 4200 mV bms_mainloop: Entering state BMS_IDLE bms_mainloop: Entering state BMS_DISCHARGING bms_mainloop: Entering state BMS_FAULT Starting discharge Discharging at 0 mA, 1000 mAH, capacity 2000 mAH, Temp -56'C Discharging at 8 mA, 1000 mAH, capacity 2000 mAH, Temp -56'C bms_mainloop: Entering state BMSIDLE

I will have to check temperature reading equation, initially looks fine, you are reading TS2_HI register. I measured around 0.876 V on RT1 & RT2 in ambient temp 22.5 deg C. For bq76930 maybe reading TS1 and TS2 would be also nice.

int bq7693_read_temperature() {
    //Returns 'C * 10 eg 217 = 21.7'C

    volatile uint8_t scratch[3];
    volatile int adcVal = 0;

    volatile unsigned long  rts;
    volatile int vtsx;
    volatile float tmp;
    bq7693_read_register(TS2_HI_BYTE, 3, scratch);

    adcVal =  ((scratch[0]&0x3F)<<8);
    adcVal |= scratch[2]; //ignore the unwanted CRC byte.

    // calculate R_thermistor according to bq769x0 datasheet
    vtsx = adcVal * 0.382; // mV
    rts = 10000.0 * vtsx / (3300.0 - vtsx); // Ohm

    // Temperature calculation using Beta equation
    // - According to bq769x0 datasheet, only 10k thermistors should be used
    // - 25°C reference temperature for Beta equation assumed
    tmp = 1.0/(1.0/(273.15+25) + 1.0/3435 *log(rts/10000.0)); // K
    volatile int result = (tmp - 273.15)* 10;
    return result;
}
davidmpye commented 9 months ago

Hi!

Great work you've done so far - that is fantastic work!

I haven't tried the exact battery you've got in the picture, so I am not surprised things don't quite work right.

On the V10: I did try reading TS1 but only ever got garbage, so I gave up - only TS2 seems tor return a sensible value on the 76930.... I don't know why, as there are two thermistors. I did wonder if one was wired up to an ADC pin on the SAMD20 instead of to TS1?

What BMS IC is your pack using? Is it the same? I can make out BQ76????

The serial protocol is a real pain - I managed to get it working on the Dyson V10s by using a Chinese clone battery and just copying it's very simple serial protocol. It is more complex on newer ones because it has to convey amount of charge so the cleaner can change power modes. I have hit a bit of a wall here on the newer ones for that reason.

I can currently think of several solutions to get around the serial protocol problem:

1) Try to dump the original dyson firmware from the packs and reverse engineer the serial protocol that way. It's hard work, and it is technically quite challenging because of the protection on the SAMD20. You'd have to try to glitch-attack the chip-erase - I am not sure if the SAMD20 is vulnerable to this or not.

2) Find someone who is interested enough to see if they can spot patterns and work out how to provide the code values the cleaner expects.

3) Write new firmware for the dyson itself and flash it, so it doesn't use silly serial-code any more

4) Get a cheap chinese clone battery and see if you can copy its' protocol functions.

Suenbrad commented 7 months ago

Hello, I currently have a V11 vacuum cleaner around me and its battery cannot start normally. I would like to ask if you can share the new firmware you compiled so that I can try to save my v11 battery. Thank you.

davidmpye commented 7 months ago

Hi,

Sorry, I do not have any firmware that will work with a dyson V11.

The serial protocol has changed (no doubt to make it harder to make clone packs), and I have not yet managed to duplicate it well enough for the cleaner to work.

I don't think anybody else has done it yet either....

David

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Hello, I currently have a V11 vacuum cleaner around me and its battery cannot start normally. I would like to ask if you can share the new firmware you compiled so that I can try to save my v11 battery. Thank you.

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Gucioo commented 7 months ago

Hi!

Great work you've done so far - that is fantastic work!

I haven't tried the exact battery you've got in the picture, so I am not surprised things don't quite work right.

On the V10: I did try reading TS1 but only ever got garbage, so I gave up - only TS2 seems tor return a sensible value on the 76930.... I don't know why, as there are two thermistors. I did wonder if one was wired up to an ADC pin on the SAMD20 instead of to TS1?

What BMS IC is your pack using? Is it the same? I can make out BQ76????

The serial protocol is a real pain - I managed to get it working on the Dyson V10s by using a Chinese clone battery and just copying it's very simple serial protocol. It is more complex on newer ones because it has to convey amount of charge so the cleaner can change power modes. I have hit a bit of a wall here on the newer ones for that reason.

I can currently think of several solutions to get around the serial protocol problem:

  1. Try to dump the original dyson firmware from the packs and reverse engineer the serial protocol that way. It's hard work, and it is technically quite challenging because of the protection on the SAMD20. You'd have to try to glitch-attack the chip-erase - I am not sure if the SAMD20 is vulnerable to this or not.
  2. Find someone who is interested enough to see if they can spot patterns and work out how to provide the code values the cleaner expects.
  3. Write new firmware for the dyson itself and flash it, so it doesn't use silly serial-code any more
  4. Get a cheap chinese clone battery and see if you can copy its' protocol functions.

It is also BQ76930, but didn't manage yet to get proper readings from TS1 or TS2.

To decode protocol: Option 1 - more likely to hard for myself Option 2 + most probable, I could duplicate protocol, but I have to figure out voltage levels and connections there Option 3 - Dyson is still in use, I've got new battery (This could help to copy protocol actually) Option 4 - Couldn't find clone for this one

Anyway, now I don't have to much time to follow up this topic. You did great job and huge thanks to you. Some day, I may re-work this.

WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hello , first big respect to You Gays for this project!

I have on table battery from V11 (SV17)

Anyone , know now more? or still not possiblle?

I have also a Chinsese PCB for this battery, maybe we can download firmware from and make something?

davidmpye commented 5 months ago

Still not possible as far as I know.

The work that needs to be done is understanding the serial protocol (or enough of it) to make the cleaner work.

I did use a Chinese battery pack for a V10 to figure out the serial protocol. It might be possible to do similar for V11 but it will require somebody to do the work and figure out what needs to be sent and received between the two.

David

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Hello , first big respect to You Gays for this project!

I have on table battery from V11 (SV17)

Anyone , know now more? or still not possiblle?

I have also a Chinsese PCB for this battery, maybe we can download firmware from and make something?

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WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

Yes I have Chinese PCB for v11 but I Don't know how read flash from. 

davidmpye commented 5 months ago

It probably is NOT straightforward to read the flash, and even if you did, it'll be for a different MCU and probably need quite a lot of work to make any use of it.

I don't have the skills to be able to reverse engineer it, even if it could be downloaded out of the pack.

Trying to work out what serial comms it uses is where I'd start.

David

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HiYes I have Chinese PCB for v11 but I Don't know how read flash from. Wysłano z PORSCHE DESIGN HUAWEI Mate 20 RS-------- Oryginalna wiadomość --------Od: David Pye @.>Data: śr., 29 maj 2024, 18:54Do: davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS @.>DW: WolfDawid @.>, Comment @.>Temat: Re: [davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS] V11 and V15 (SV22) Support (Issue #8) Still not possible as far as I know.

The work that needs to be done is understanding the serial protocol (or

enough of it) to make the cleaner work.

I did use a Chinese battery pack for a V10 to figure out the serial

protocol. It might be possible to do similar for V11 but it will require

somebody to do the work and figure out what needs to be sent and received

between the two.

David

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Hello , first big respect to You Gays for this project!

I have on table battery from V11 (SV17)

Anyone , know now more? or still not possiblle?

I have also a Chinsese PCB for this battery, maybe we can download

firmware from and make something?

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WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

One from this 2 chips have a name, sounds like 

ICM CM2076b5 or LCM

But at this moment nothig found on network. 

Regars 

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It probably is NOT straightforward to read the flash, and even if you did, it'll be for a different MCU and probably need quite a lot of work to make any use of it.

I don't have the skills to be able to reverse engineer it, even if it could be downloaded out of the pack.

Trying to work out what serial comms it uses is where I'd start.

David

WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

I think this

VDCGR:

V 3.3v D: Data C: CLK G: Ground  R: Reset 

Now is question, could we something read. You are the master 💪

Suenbrad commented 5 months ago

Hello This V11 battery pack management chip is BQ76930. If I refer to the method of the film to deal with it, the feasibility does not know whether it is correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlsNhG2N6Rs

davidmpye commented 5 months ago

Hi,

You need to read the data using a suitable logic analyser from the 2 pins that are on the OUTSIDE of the battery pack (the data ones). Watch out, they are ~28v, so make sure you have something that can read them.

As I said before, I don't think trying to read the Chinese firmware directly is useful.

David

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HiI think this VDCGR:V 3.3vD: DataC: CLKG: Ground R: Reset Now is question, could we something read. You are the master 💪Wysłano z PORSCHE DESIGN HUAWEI Mate 20 RS-------- Oryginalna wiadomość --------Od: David Pye @.>Data: śr., 29 maj 2024, 22:02Do: davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS @.>DW: WolfDawid @.>, Comment @.>Temat: Re: [davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS] V11 and V15 (SV22) Support (Issue #8) It probably is NOT straightforward to read the flash, and even if you did,

it'll be for a different MCU and probably need quite a lot of work to make

any use of it.

I don't have the skills to be able to reverse engineer it, even if it could

be downloaded out of the pack.

Trying to work out what serial comms it uses is where I'd start.

David

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HiYes I have Chinese PCB for v11 but I Don't know how read flash

from. Wysłano z PORSCHE DESIGN HUAWEI Mate 20 RS-------- Oryginalna

wiadomość --------Od: David Pye @.***>Data: śr., 29 maj 2024,

18:54Do: davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS @.>DW: WolfDawid @.>,

Comment @.***>Temat: Re: [davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS] V11 and V15 (SV22)

Support (Issue #8)

Still not possible as far as I know.

The work that needs to be done is understanding the serial protocol (or

enough of it) to make the cleaner work.

I did use a Chinese battery pack for a V10 to figure out the serial

protocol. It might be possible to do similar for V11 but it will require

somebody to do the work and figure out what needs to be sent and received

between the two.

David

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Hello , first big respect to You Gays for this project!

I have on table battery from V11 (SV17)

Anyone , know now more? or still not possiblle?

I have also a Chinsese PCB for this battery, maybe we can download

firmware from and make something?

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WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

So we have:

COM- ---- vacum cleaner K- --- vacum cleaner K+ ---- switch COMK ---- switch

I try to find something idea to read this line.

Zdjęcie WhatsApp 2024-05-31 o 09 25 04_cc22b240

Regards

WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi David

Thank You very much fur help witch unlock this Pack. And Big thanks for Gucioo that He start this solution for Dyson v11 batery packs

My sv17 battery from v11. Now it give current and I can charge it, no error. works.

last what to do is, try to understand this comunication protocol between cleaner and pack as David said.

I try to work with this Chinese PCB .

But I have still other Idea.

David what would you say , wenn we take a original battery(sv17 sv22) that is not blocked yet and try to read the original communication protocol between the battery and the vacuum cleaner?

IMG_20240531_131157 IMG_20240531_132753

davidmpye commented 5 months ago

Hi,

Yes I have tried to do that, but there is some kind of rolling checksum/sequence you need to be able to generate. I haven't figured it out.

The Chinese board probably uses only a subset of the protocol so reading it's communication is useful and probably a better starting point than an original battery.

I don't have a Chinese one to try to copy. The protocol is more complex on V11 because it is 2 way for when different power/speed is selected the pack calculates running time.

David

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Hi David

Thank You very much fur help witch unlock this Pack. And Big thanks for Gucioo that He start this solution for Dyson v11 batery packs

My sv17 battery from v11. Now it give current and I can charge it, no error. works.

last wat to do is, try to understand this comunication protocol between cleaner and pack as David said.

I try to work with this Chinese PCB .

But I have still other Idea.

David what would you say , wenn we take a original battery(sv17 sv22) that is not blocked yet and try to read the original communication protocol between the battery and the vacuum cleaner?

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WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

Other idea, Wenn we could to know what is on the other side (in cleaner inside) what kind of chip working there. Help us? Or is unnecessary 

Regards 

davidmpye commented 5 months ago

I had a look - it's another MCU that you cannot read the code out of. I don't have time to try to make new firmware for the inside and nobody would want to reflash it.

David

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HiOther idea, Wenn we could to know what is on the other side (in cleaner inside) what kind of chip working there. Help us? Or is unnecessary Regards Wysłano z PORSCHE DESIGN HUAWEI Mate 30 RS-------- Oryginalna wiadomość --------Od: David Pye @.>Data: pt., 31 maj 2024, 14:06Do: davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS @.>DW: Dawid @.>, Comment @.>Temat: Re: [davidmpye/V10_Dyson_BMS] V11 and V15 (SV22) Support (Issue #8) Hi,

Yes I have tried to do that, but there is some kind of rolling

checksum/sequence you need to be able to generate. I haven't figured it

out.

The Chinese board probably uses only a subset of the protocol so reading

it's communication is useful and probably a better starting point than an

original battery.

I don't have a Chinese one to try to copy. The protocol is more complex on

V11 because it is 2 way for when different power/speed is selected the pack

calculates running time.

David

On Fri, 31 May 2024, 11:45 WolfDawid, @.***> wrote:

Hi David

Thank You very much fur help witch unlock this Pack.

And

Big thanks for Gucioo that He start this solution for Dyson v11 batery

packs

My sv17 battery from v11.

Now it give current and I can charge it, no error. works.

last wat to do is, try to understand this comunication protocol between

cleaner and pack as David said.

I try to work with this Chinese PCB .

But I have still other Idea.

David what would you say , wenn we take a original battery(sv17 sv22) that

is not blocked yet and try to read the original communication protocol

between the battery and the vacuum cleaner?

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WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

David

Thank's for that We follow this project

What You think about this:

https://www.dreamsourcelab.com/shop/logic-analyzer/dslogic-plus/

Regards

WolfDawid commented 5 months ago

Hi

I have found in network one more Chinese board SV15 looks little other as my, see a little other MCU ,but for all V11

61jP57s1BnL _AC_SX522_

rulof86 commented 4 months ago

Hello, cool job. Is there a continuation in the revision for V11? I'll try to find a Chinese equivalent and read the firmware. But I do not know what to do next.

davidmpye commented 4 months ago

Hi,

As I said before, I don't think this will be very easy (even the Chinese clones remember to set code protection), so it is unlikely you can read the firmware out that easily.

What would be more useful is to understand the communication that happens between the pack and the cleaner on a chinese pack (via the separate data connection pins on the pack).

Dumping this data traffic from a Chinese pack and trying to recreate with a reprogrammed dyson one is more likely to lead to success - this is how I got V10 working.

David

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rulof86 commented 4 months ago

I take it I need a logic analyzer? I've never used it. Please tell me which one might be suitable?

WolfDawid commented 4 months ago

Hi

I have writed some post above with good logic analyzer

Regars

aasmundleirhaug commented 2 days ago

@WolfDawid what version of the FW did u use to Get it to work with the SV17. Just the regular Repo or did u have to change some configs? And remove some cables or something? Thanks in advance

davidmpye commented 1 day ago

I don't think it is working with V17. I think you are misunderstanding his email.

David

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aasmundleirhaug commented 1 day ago

Ahh okay, got it.

Thanks for the reply David!