Allow arbitrary placement of accidentals

[ghost]

Sometimes accidentals are placed after Roman numeral: \markup \rN { Vs } (see #2). This patch allows user to place accidentals either before or after note name/Roman numeral/figure. Tested on LilyPond 2.18.2.

[ghost]

I think I just misread everything. I told you I'm fairly new to this :(

If you're new to git I recommend you to take a look at GitHub Guides for an introduction and Pro Git Book for an in-depth discussion of the subject.

Please forgive any offense, just a momentary confusion on my part!

No problem. :ok_hand:

I will look through what you've suggested. It would be great if you have an example of this usage, b/c I've always seen the alteration before the RN.

Here's an example from Harmony and Voice Leading (Aldwell & Schachter), page 441:

[davidnalesnik]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:22 PM, mengele-chan notifications@github.com wrote:

Oh, sorry. I think I just misread everything. I told you I'm fairly new to this :(

If you're new to git I recommend you to take a look at GitHub Guides https://guides.github.com/ for an introduction and Pro Git Book https://progit.org/ for an in-depth discussion of the subject.

Thanks for the references! It's mostly GitHub that's the problem. I've been working with git for awhile with LilyPond development, but only here and there with Github.

Please forgive any offense, just a momentary confusion on my part!

No problem. [image: :ok_hand:]

:)

I will look through what you've suggested. It would be great if you have an example of this usage, b/c I've always seen the alteration before the RN.

Here's an example from Harmony and Voice Leading (Aldwell & Schachter): [image: lowered-third] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/12159469/11789459/7528fba8-a28e-11e5-9de3-d1a2e5839011.png

Aha, I see. I will need to check that book out. I'm used to triad quality being at least partially indicated by the case of the numeral. (Kostka/Payne, Gauldin, and Clendinning are the texts I've used and I own a few others that do it this way.) I had Aldwell/Schachter for a semester, but I seem to have lost track of my copy.... I seem to remember that Piston's text also uses a capitals-only approach (though I don't imagine that that book is used at all anymore).

[davidnalesnik]

Trying this out, it looks like this will be a nice extension.

I wonder: would you ever have the situation where you have an accidental before and after in this style of notation? Something like bVIb, for example? The way the code works now, the first flat will be rendered,but "f" will be returned for the second.

I could merge this pull request, and multiple alterations could be dealt with later (as that will be more invasive).

[BTW, I will probably revise the comments at some point. This function isn't used anymore for figures.]

[sambivens]

It's rare, but that type of notation /does/ exist. It's typically found in more Schenkerian circles, but it would definitely be a nice feature (especially for teachers of chromatic harmony). For example, the second theme of the first movement of Mahler 2 is in E major. Compared to the global C minor, this would technically be { nIII n5 s }.

The opening movement of Waldstein is an example of the "friendlier" example we've been discussing: E major in C major is { III s }.

As an aside, my experience is that the Kostka/Payne is still very common in undergraduate American training. Gauldin is all but gone these days. Clendinning/Marvin is very popular, as is the Laitz (which is even popular in various foreign countries; I know schools in China use it, for instance). Aldwell/Schachter is still around, but the Laitz is often viewed as the descendant of that textbook tradition, so the latter is more popular. I don't know of any schools still using the Piston.

On 12/14/2015 03:22 PM, davidnalesnik wrote:

Trying this out, it looks like this will be a nice extension.

I wonder: would you ever have the situation where you have an accidental before and after in this style of notation? Something like bVIb, for example? The way the code works now, the first flat will be rendered,but "f" will be returned for the second.

I could merge this pull request, and multiple alterations could be dealt with later (as that will be more invasive).

[BTW, I will probably revise the comments at some point. This function isn't used anymore for figures.]

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[davidnalesnik]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Sam Bivens notifications@github.com wrote:

It's rare, but that type of notation /does/ exist. It's typically found in more Schenkerian circles, but it would definitely be a nice feature (especially for teachers of chromatic harmony). For example, the second theme of the first movement of Mahler 2 is in E major. Compared to the global C minor, this would technically be { nIII n5 s }.

Happily, this mostly works. I'd just need to admit "n" in figure-alteration and in make-figure-markup and this will work. (The alignment of the figure column may be an issue, though. Eventually, something more sophisticated than a right-aligned column will need to be used.)

The opening movement of Waldstein is an example of the "friendlier" example we've been discussing: E major in C major is { III s }.

The patch will handle that, but you will need to write { IIIs } .

As an aside, my experience is that the Kostka/Payne is still very common in undergraduate American training. Gauldin is all but gone these days.

Clendinning/Marvin is very popular, as is the Laitz (which is even popular in various foreign countries; I know schools in China use it, for instance). Aldwell/Schachter is still around, but the Laitz is often viewed as the descendant of that textbook tradition, so the latter is more popular. I don't know of any schools still using the Piston.

The Gauldin was used at IU for a year--1998, I think. A very nice book. (Before that was K&P.) The school I taught at most recently used K&P and phased it out for the Clendinning a few years ago. I own a review copy of the Laitz (one of the few perks of being an adjunct, but that's another topic :) ) Laitz does use the lower-case-for-minor notation.

[ghost]

I wonder: would you ever have the situation where you have an accidental before and after in this style of notation? Something like bVIb, for example?

I never encountered such notation, but if I will, I'll inform you.

[ghost]

As promised, here's an excerpt from Harmony and Voice Leading (Aldwell & Schachter), page 589: