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Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) style files for biblatex
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Make SBLHS2 6.2.12 more like CMS? #118

Closed folofjc closed 3 years ago

folofjc commented 3 years ago

I do not get why SBL chose to do section 6.2.12 like they do for bibliographic entries. Based upon the blog post here, they reference CMS section 14.111 and 14.112. (I think there is a mistake in the blog post - SBLHS2 section 6.2.12 is not about multivolume works, but edited works. The examples in the blog post show that they mean edited works.) I am not sure what version of CMS they are referring to, but in CMS 17 (the only one I have) I think the sections are 14.106 and 14.107. I am only talking about edited works (which is what SBLHS2 6.2.12 is about), so that is CMS17 14.107. Here is what that looks like:

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As you can see, this does not match SBLHS2. The pages come after the title of the volume, not before. I have no idea why SBL did it the way they did it, while at the same time referring to CMS?! CMS does not specifically state that the pages have to come after (though the example implies it). However, here is what the 9th edition of Turabian (which follows CMS very closely) states:

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The Bibliography entries match, and the text is explicit.

I would like to implement this for incollection types in biblatex-sbl. I looked at trying to update the chapter+pagesin bibmacro in biblatex-sbl.def (based upon the incollection bibliography driver in sbl.bbx). It looks like the pages would need to be added to the shortseries+number macro? It should go before the publication data, but I am not sure if it should go before note.

Any suggesions, @dcpurton? Thanks for all your help!

dcpurton commented 3 years ago

:) I can not say if they have made a mistake in their blog post, but they are consistent with their Pages … in use in the bibliography (See §6.2.12, §6.2.13, §6.2.22, §6.2.23, §6.3.3, etc.). They did this in both the first and second edition of their handbook. As far as I know CMS has never done this, so I can only assume that it's a deliberate decision. And I have not seen any example on their blog on in the handbook which does it like CMS. It's possible they refer to CMS in the blog post in reference to the note format, rather than the bibliography format.

SBL definitely doesn't always follow CMS and they seem to feel free to do their own thing. You could write to them I guess and ask for clarification.

My goal isn't to make an infinitely flexible style for biblatex-sbl, but implement what SBL wants as best I can.

I suggest you ask a question on tex.stackexchange.com about modifying biblatex-sbl to do what you want. I'll take a look in that context if moewe doesn't get to it first!

It would probably need the incollection driver to be changed I think. Note that this would have quite far reaching consequences, since incollection is used for various other in* entry types.

folofjc commented 3 years ago

Yeah, for sure SBLHS is consistent internally. I just have no idea why they did what they did ;) It just makes things more complicated for me! I had been using biblatex-chicago as I had already told you, and could get 90% of the way to my style guide. But man, the last 10% was a HUGE hassle trying to modify biblatex-chicago. So I thought I would try to do biblatex-sbl again. I never saw this in their examples until yesterday. Unfortunately, they are very common!!

Does moewe use biblatex-sbl? I didn't know that What question can he not answer?! ;)

dcpurton commented 3 years ago

moewe doesn't use biblatex-sbl, but since he is one of the developers of biblatex, he can answer most questions on anything to do with biblatex.

folofjc commented 3 years ago

Yeah, I knew he was a developer of biblatex, that is why I was confused.

folofjc commented 3 years ago

For those interested, this answer works well for me: tex.se