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SBL§6.3.8 A Paper Presented at a Professional Society (p. 95) #41

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ghost commented 8 years ago

Capitalization

Footnote should be lowercase (below is wrong)

  1. Elizabeth Schrader, “Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?” (Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature, Atlanta, 23 November 2015).

Bibliography should be capitalized (below is correct)

Schrader, Elizabeth. “Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?” Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature. Atlanta, 23 November 2015.

I'm guessing the \autocap case tracking isn't working just yet.


Regarding note

I assume you're leaving this “as is” for flexibility purposes with misc. An alternative I've tried before is writing “paper presented at the” into the .cbx/.bbx files and create separate fields for eventtitle and organization (see BibLaTeX documentation).

The question is, I guess, whether “Paper at a Conference” is significant enough to have its own rules apart from unpublished or misc. Personally I use this all the time but have rarely needed a generic unpublished category. What do others think?

dcpurton commented 8 years ago

Ah! Interesting. I've changed how I do this one a couple of times, so it's definitely worth some discussion.

First, \autocap is working… The title in the above example ends with a question mark, which causes biblatex's punctuation tracking to capitalise the next paper, since it thinks a new sentence is starting. This is probably a pretty rare occurrence outside of this particular example, although it may crop up elsewhere. Let's think about the best way to do this entry type before thinking about that problem.

Initially I was using @inproceedings for this type, and I did have “paper presented at” in the driver. But then I switch to @unpublished because it seemed like @inproceedings was meant to be for published conference proceedings, whereas §6.3.8 seems to be an unpublished paper. Are my assumptions correct?

I also did use the note field because of flexibility. I might be mistaken, but it seems to me hard to predict how the eventtitle should relate to "paper presented at the" and organization (joining words might not be consistent…).

There are (at least) two potential useful options.

  1. Create a new @conferencepaper entrytype
  2. Create a conferencepaper entrysubtype for @unpublished entries

Here's a few options. What do you like? Option 2.c gives the nicest database entry, but the least flexibilty. Option 2.b might be the best compromise. All of the new options will solve your case problem above.

1. Current option

@unpublished{schrader:2015,
  author = {Schrader, Elizabeth},
  title = {Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?},
  note = {\autocap{p}aper presented at the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature},
  location = {Atlanta},
  date = {2015/11/23}
}

2. Create a new @conferencepaper main entrytype

Option a

@conferencepaper{schrader:2015,
  author = {Schrader, Elizabeth},
  title = {Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?},
  eventtitle = {the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature},
  venue = {Atlanta},
  eventdate = {2015/11/23}
}

Driver would need something like:

\printtext{paper presented at}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printfield{eventtitle}%
\newunit
\printfield{venue}%
\newunit
\printfield{eventdate}%

Option b

@conferencepaper{schrader:2015,
  author = {Schrader, Elizabeth},
  title = {Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?},
  eventtitle = {the Annual Meeting of},
  organization = {the Society of Biblical Literature},
  venue = {Atlanta},
  eventdate = {2015/11/23}
}

Driver would need somethig like:

\printtext{paper presented at}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printfield{eventtitle}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printfield{organization}%
\newunit
\printfield{venue}%
\newunit
\printfield{eventdate}%

Option c

@conferencepaper{schrader:2015,
  author = {Schrader, Elizabeth},
  title = {Was Martha of Bethany added to the Fourth Gospel in the Second Century?},
  eventtitle = {Annual Meeting},
  organization = {Society of Biblical Literature},
  venue = {Atlanta},
  eventdate = {2015/11/23}
}

Driver would need something like:

\printtext{paper presented at the}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printfield{eventtitle}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printtext{of the}%
\setunit{\space}%
\printfield{organization}%
\newunit
\printfield{venue}%
\newunit
\printfield{eventdate}%

3. Use @unpublished with a conferencepaper entrysubtype

Repeat previous three options, but use entrysubtype to create a special kind of unpublished entry.

ghost commented 8 years ago

Yeah my understanding of @inproceedings is that it is for published proceedings. There really isn't a good native field for a conference paper

For most uses 2c is my personal preference. But I do realize that there are other kinds of conferences that could cause issues:

John Smith, “What's in a Name?” (Paper presented at the Layman Scholars Conference of the Prestigious University, Chicago, 23 November 2015).

@conferencepaper{smith:2015,%
  author = {Smith, John},
  title = {What's in a Name?},
  eventtitle = {Layman Scholars Conference},
  organization = {Prestigious University},
  venue = {Chicago},
  eventdate = {2015/11/23}
}

“Of the” could work, but maybe “at the Prestigious University” or something else would be more appropriate.

Do you have any other possible examples of events, being “academic enough” for citation, that might have issues with type 2c?

dcpurton commented 8 years ago

Hmm - I only have an MDiv, so I'm not qualified to comment on what kind of conferences there are ;).

I could make the "of the" printing dependent on the presence of an organization field. So if you wanted something else, you could just put everything in eventtitle.

@conferencepaper{smith:2015,
  author = {Smith, John},
  title = {What's in a Name?},
  eventtitle = {Layman Scholars Conference at the Prestigious University},
  venue = {Chicago},
  eventdate = {2015/11/23}
}
ghost commented 8 years ago

You're further along than me ;D

And that solution seems reasonable. Also if you added support for institution you could differentiate between the two. From biblatex.pdf

dcpurton commented 8 years ago

ok. I'll implement this. I won't do institution for the moment. I think it might end up being a little unintuitive to have joining words randomly with the use of a different field.

Nhapsie commented 8 years ago

I am doing a PhD, but know far less LaTeX than both of you. For me the only thing I use is SBL conference papers. By looking at the descriptive side of the entry, inproceedings was not only a wrong entry type, but mainly non-intuitive. Unpublished is also not right, because it may refer to a non-published book, not a conference paper. So conferencepaper is the best option, you can't go wrong. Having said that, I would go for 2A for the simple reason that there is only one kind of entry used for both annual and regionsal SBL meetings.

dcpurton commented 8 years ago

On reflection, I'm inclined to agree with @Nhapsie on this one. Have a look at the latest dev branch and see the test document for usage. It works correctly with your example.

Nhapsie commented 8 years ago

Good, I remember there’s also SBL International Meetings, but it uses the same format.

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dcpurton commented 7 years ago

fixed in v0.7