needs a visual way to tell is encryption is active

[nutpantz]

From what I can tell They're is no simple visual way to tell if the conversation is encrypted, if the message you are sending is encrypted (or expected to be encrypted)or if the message you received was encrypted or not. Somewhere Something like a little red openlock or red eye to say no encryption was used would be nice. Or a green indicator to say encryption is in use and all is encrypted.

[testbird]

I see lock symbols for sent messages. If the last message you received has a lock, that might imply your answer will also get one. (Can someone confirm?)

[rickcrash]

Yes. The lock marks encrypted messeges sent and received ones. Once kne message is encrypted, the next messages should be encrypted too. After install it takes some time to start encryption.

[nutpantz]

To be honest even though im using a note 3 i could not tell what that little icon was. I never even noticed if it was there or not on messages. Maybe it should be a little bigger and color coated like red for not encrypted and green for encrypted. Either way definitely a little bigger as I know if I missed it's significance my encryption novice friends will never see it.

[testbird]

Also showing a lock symbol on the send button could be nice, and rather direct than implied.

[r10s]

+1 for a rethinking of the lock and the state shown in the ui

[ccpp]

I would go even further to have separate icons for signed (trusted) and unsigned (standard) keys, which would then say more about real end-to-end security. Maybe it's enough to change color, or to mimic how modern browsers highlight valid/trusted and invalid/untrusted SSL certificates?

[testbird]

It seems the new features, that may have been inspired in part by this wiki page, also introduced a different type of trust state for contacts that is not equal to a contact with a verified key but visualized in the same way as verified contacts.

See disussion at: https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core/commit/12a765e409a697b615d7ab673c00bdbf3900c047

I'm not sure but IIUC these contacts use keys that have only been passed around, and in the course have been passed on as (automated) gossip by a verified contact.

[testbird]

A distinction might be possible like this: "✓" meaning "verified" by oneself and "o" or "(✓)" meaning claimed to be verified by verified? other

[webratte]

I just opend a new issue https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-android/issues/312 and closed it immediately because I found this. I think it's better to extend this issue.

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The user should be warned if a message will sendet unencrypted. E.G. show a popup window "This message will be sendet in clear text." Maybe with the option "Don't show again" or "Don't show again for this receiver".

So the user have the choice to change the content if it's very confidential and should be encrypted (after keys are exchanged via autocrypt) or it's a trivial content and can be sendet unencrypted.

[r10s]

i think the initial issues, the missing locks, are now available in general.

meanwhile, there are also experimental groups that enforce encryption.

for an indication about the state of the sending message there is a more concrete issue at #249

[monperrus]

In the UI, I don't see any encryption icon to know whether a message was encrypted or not.

Has it been removed or is there some configuration to activate?

[r10s]

there is a little lock below each message (next to the time) that shows if a message is encrypted+signed or not.

[monperrus]

On my DeltaChat Android version 1.12.5 I don't see a single lock (neither locked or unlocked). Any idea why?

[r10s]

On my DeltaChat Android version 1.12.5 I don't see a single lock

not even when you send a message to the "Saved messages" chat?

this is what it should look like:

with long tap on a message you can get some more info.

of course, the locks appear only when a chat is and can be encrypted - this requires autocrypt-capable clients on both/all ends and the clients to have "prefer encryption" enabled (see settings/advanced)

[monperrus]

not even when you send a message to the "Saved messages" chat?

I don't have a "Saved messages" chat

this is what it should look like:

Thanks, I confirm it does not look like this, even on a conversation with somebody who has Autocrypt encryption (the messages are indeed encrypted, I cannot read them via regular IMAP), there is no locker icon.

[r10s]

I don't have a "Saved messages" chat

might be deleted. you can recreate it by creating a chat with yourself or by reinstalling the app.

Thanks, I confirm it does not look like this, even on a conversation with somebody who has Autocrypt encryption (the messages are indeed encrypted, I cannot read them via regular IMAP), there is no locker icon.

how does it look like? what does message-info tell? however, i would try the saved-messages thing first as there is no other peer envolved.

[monperrus]

you can recreate it by creating a chat with yourself or by reinstalling the app.

I confirm that I can recreate "Saved messages" by sending a message to myself and the message there has a locker icon

[monperrus]

how does it look like? what does message-info tell?

Sent date, received date, but nothing related to encryption

[r10s]

I confirm that I can recreate "Saved messages" by sending a message to myself and the message there has a locker icon

k, so the locker icon as such exists and the initial issue is confirmed to be fixed.

for the other chats:

i would assume that one of the recipients in some chat is not using Delta Chat or an Autocrypt capable client or has disabled encryption and therefore encryption is not activated.

by adding a send device with Delta Chat or by a second account (main menu / switch account) you can find out if you can create an encrypted chat.

[monperrus]

Thanks a lot @r10s, I'm making progress. I do send messages to another Delta Chat device, I'm debugging.,

[monperrus]

OK, it works with proper autocrypt.

FYI: some encrypted messages with PGP without autocrypt headers don't have a locker icon while indeed encrypted, but that's a corner case.

[r10s]

thanks for figuring that out and reporting back!

[monperrus]

FTR, in Delta Chat version 1.36.5, encrypted messages with PGP without autocrypt headers do not have a locker icon (happens for both Thunderbird and Evolution encrypted messages)