Open AndyHoggANU opened 2 years ago
Should we have all three ways mentioned above in a single issue or make an issue for each experiment?
We don't need a separate issue to discuss these three :)
But we should make 3 different runs to test them, otherwise we won't know what affected what.
After discussion over zoom: let's focus on 1 and 2; 2 is, in principle, easier.
Before I looked at the different ways by which we can increase buoyancy fluxes in the ocean, I compared some diagnostics for the parameterised KPP shear run (control and no-stress) with Ryan's runs (https://github.com/dhruvbhagtani/Parametrised-KPP-Diagnostics/blob/main/Hflux_comp.ipynb). Ryan's experiments had very shallow KPP depths (see figure). Our resolved shear parameterisation does a great job at increasing the KPP depths in all oceanic basins (compared with the no-stress Ryan's experiments).
Now, comparing the no-stress runs (parameterised KPP shear and Ryan's experiments), the increased KPP depth doesn't make any difference in the heat fluxes or gyre circulation. So, my question is: Is (2): Perturb KPP depths even worth doing? Because increasing the KPP depths doesn't have any impact on the amount of heat fluxes or ocean gyres.
As a follow up to my previous comment, it's clear that increasing the KPP depth doesn't increase the meridional heat transport. Instead, we can manually tweak the sensible and latent heat flux bulk formulae (and possibly the shortwave and long wave radiations too) to make sure that they are similar with the control run. The bulk formulae are given by:
One way to change these fluxes is to alter the transfer coefficients, πΆπ and πΆβ.
Alright, so we might need to change the CICE code to implement changes in latent heat fluxes. Here is a rough flow chart showing how the latent heat fluxes are found. Some things I want to point out:
log (zz/z0)
and log (zz/zq)
.w_atm
is just wind velocity at the lowest atmospheric level. It can be calculated in absolute and relative (to the ocean surface) ways.flux_q
(latent heat), we will have to change the code itself.Same is the case for sensible heat flux too. I don't think I have any problem changing the code, it's just that I don't know how to compile once I change it.
I think we can get help with the compilation, but can I just ask - which of the parameters will you change to alter the flux?
I am thinking of changing Cd_t
, because that's proportional to the heat transfer coefficients, which we initially planned to change.
I missed the end of the meeting yesterday; did you decide to consider altering the bulk formula instead of the KPP depth, or are we doing both?
Altering Cd_t
(or Cd_q
?) sounds like a reasonable approach to do this. However, I would start out by plotting the spatial structure of both latent and sensible (and SW/LW while you're at it) heat fluxes from a control simulation in order to understand what you while actually be changing.
We are doing both. I have created an experiment where I have altered the KPP depth (I changed u*
in the equation to 1.5 u*
everywhere, so while the old formula was:
(80 u*^2 + 1 u*) x (1 - exp(-0.01 z / (u*)^0.5))
,
the new one reads:
(180 u*^2 + 1.5 u*) x (1 - exp(-0.008 z / (u*)^0.5))
.
Since the whole structure of the equation is the same, I just changed the coefficients in input.nml
file.
The second approach is to change the bulk formula. We realised there are two ways of doing this:
wind_mask.nc
. It would involve coding in CICE.The figure is for the last 10 years.
(Although, now that we have figured out that we anyways have to code in CICE even to change the transfer coefficients, I am up for creating a mask for transfer coefficients too. But we can begin with just manually changing it everywhere.)
I was just trying out my way to change and update the monin_obukhov_kernel.F90
file in CICE, but I found a very similar file in MOM as well. Now I'm very confused as to which one does the ocean read. The namelist for this code script is present in the input.nml
file for both MOM and CICE.
Firstly, the above figure still suffers from the problem I highlighted at https://github.com/dhruvbhagtani/varying-surface-forcing/issues/15#issuecomment-945363828, it would be nice to fix that.
Secondly, after some more thought I must admit to being somewhat skeptical that this will work. By increasing these transfer coefficients we are only influencing (increasing) the heat loss side of the air-sea fluxes. Furthermore, the spatial structure of the latent and sensible heat fluxes is such that we will be increasing heat loss more at low-latitudes (where heat is gained overall) than at high-latitudes (where heat is lost).
The adjustment to these changes will be an SST cooling, which will then result in a reduction in the latent/sensible/LW up heat losses until the system comes into equilibrium again. However, given that we are only changing heat loss terms, and that our initial change has a spatial structure that reduces the equator-to-pole heating gradient, I don't see how this can result in anything but a reduction (or a weak change) in buoyancy forcing.
To increase the buoyancy forcing I think we need to increase the contrast between equatorial heating and high-latitude cooling, which would require changing both gain (SW, LW down) and loss terms, or changing the loss terms with a different meridional structure.
I could be wrong and it's cheap and easy to run so may as well go ahead anyway.
Following up on the above; wouldn't the easiest way to change the buoyancy forcing be to alter the SW and LW-down fluxes? These simply come from input files so you can change them however you want. In particular, the LW down could be changed however you want (positive or negative) to increase buoyancy flux contrasts. The uncertainty would then simply be how the latent/sensible/LW up would adjust to the change (generally this would just be a damping).
I think the LW fluxes would have other consequences -- particularly with sea ice. The aim here is to get buoyancy in without getting feedback effects through the ice, which may reverse our changes. One aspect of the sensible/latent heat flux terms that may be an advantage is that latent is large at the equator and sensible larger at high latitudes, so a linear combination of them could be used to enhance the contrast??
Ok fair enough.
Has anyone tried the crazy idea of just turning off the sea-ice?
@rmholmes by accident I deleted my database for this plot. I'll create it again and add it here.
I agree, we need to increase the difference in heat fluxes between the low and high latitude regions. This may be long shot, but can we somehow parameterise the advective term in the heat fluxes to increase this contrast? Specifically, I am talking about the advection of ΞΈ in this link.
I don't know much about this, but if we turn off sea ice, we might change the long wave radiation.
PS: This is a good idea, @AndyHoggANU! We could do a linear combination of the two fluxes to increase the contrast.
Here is a 100 year run for increased KPP:
https://github.com/dhruvbhagtani/varying-surface-forcing/blob/main/Vary_KPP/Diagnostics.ipynb
The heat fluxes don't increase by a lot, except in the western boundary and sub polar regions of the gyres. There is an increase in the sub polar gyres, especially in the North Atlantic, and where it increases (the spatial location) matches with the location where the heat flux increases.
The overturning also increases by a small amount in the NADW water formation region.
I've changed the way stratification is plotted. Although it is better than before, I am open to any suggestions.
Here are some relevant figures from the vary_rlds run:
Original longwave downwelling (averaged over 1 year, 3 hourly inputs):
Our offset plot:
Time series and spatial maps (averaged over 1 year) of surface heat fluxes (after running the expt for 1 year only):
Last week, we were also discussing the North Atlantic Subpolar Gyre. Now that we have the vary_rlds run with us, here's a comparison of all three:
It looks very interesting, because it shows that the wind stress curl doesn't change at all, but the gyre strength has changed quite significantly. Curiously, a similar change isn't present in the North Pacific Subpolar gyre. It is odd because I changed the downwelling radiation everywhere in the ocean.
That is interesting indeed. It shows that the ice has not really changed (hence wind stress is the same).
However, what can we say about how this depends on buoyancy flux? Not sure from the maps whether buoyancy flux has increased or decreased (it probably depends upon what region we look over?)
Is the gyre increase robust? Does it last for a long time or is it varying wildly? How about the heat flux??
Interesting.
In my experience the Atlantic subpolar gyre can be pretty temperamental - it is strongly linked to deep water formation which itself can be pretty variable and hard to pin down. Would be good to see some time series.
It looks like our change in downward longwave is relatively weak - you could try increasing it by a factor of 2 or 3 and see if you get a stronger, more robust response.
Oh, I forgot to add it along with the comment. Here are the complete diagnostics (excluding the North Atlantic subpolar gyre time series): https://github.com/dhruvbhagtani/varying-surface-forcing/blob/vary-lwdw/Vary_rlds/Diagnostics.ipynb
I'll add the subpolar gyre time series in this file.
Yes @rmholmes, I was also thinking of creating two more offsets: one with 50 W/m2, other with 80 W/m2. Maybe the latter one is a bit much, but I guess we can still run it and compare results.
Here are the movies for North Atlantic subpolar gyres from year 1900
till 1999
. Each frame is averaged over 5 years, and the title of each frame shows the mean of the 5 years (so if the frame has the title 1997
, it means that the averaging is done from 1995
till 1999
). Also attached are the time series of individual heat fluxes, spanned across the entire globe. It looks like they have more or less equilibrated. However, the gyres haven't fully equilibrated, especially the vary_rlds
run.
Winds affect a lot of ocean dynamics which could have an adverse effect on surface buoyancy forcing as well. Instead of changing the magnitude of wind stress, we change the magnitude of surface buoyancy forcing and study the resulting effect on ocean circulation.
Several ways by which we can change the buoyancy flux into the ocean: