Port VUE to Javascript

[rcrath]

Approach Mike Korcynski at VUE. Also see the VUE dev google group.

Here is the Github.

add hyperbolic trees #72 while at it.

[damg70]

lol.

not clear on why we would want to do this.

[rcrath]

I'll try and make a case for it, but I am not terribly invested in it.

FIrst, the project is stalled. Very little dev is taking place on it.It might have just been updated to deal with newer versions of java, but as of now you have to do the whole java6 thing which is nearing end of life. I think they are patching up for java 8 though.

Java programs, while it is nice to be able to run them cross-platform mostly out of the box, are slowish and ugly on the graphic side. FOnt rendering is nightmarish in Linux without major fixup.

Java is too much of a security risk and too slow to use in any serious fashion as a web app. VUE would be most excellent as a web app I think.Site maps and other forms of navigation can be imported without too much difficulty since the web is a directed graph basically.

If it is granted that it would be useful to be able to get all or most of VUEs features available via web app type interfaces, then javascript seems to be the obvious choice since there are already toolkits and libraries that make much of the program possible, just they are lying around in bits and pieces here and there.

The combo of the links and nodes model with rdf capabilities would be very useful. any batch of rdf data pretty much could be visualized pretty simply (I think, but I am not sure...sometimes importing rdf is easy, other times not so much.

I am trying to persuade the tiddlymaps people in this direction. Tiddlywiki is a very cool tool as well, just rewritten from the ground up in node.js and javascript. I keep all my research notes in it. being able to map that hypertext as a vue map would be very useful and is pretty nearly possible with the tiddlymaps extension. (see #14).

Leaving the hyperbolic part for the other issue.

[damg70]

as a user and lover of VUE, i’m definitely convinced of the need, appropriateness and coolness.

but as i see it, that’s a /major/ software development undertaking that would easily be a 40hr/week commitment. the “lying around in bits and pieces here and there” is exactly what makes the effort so daunting as each one of those fragments and locales is probably the product of a unique culture.

getting them all to work together, though appealing in that cathedral vs. bazaar sense, is serious… serious enough that it might be wiser to simply re-write it from the ground up.

now, if we could get some students and faculty from the computer science program interested in the project and kind of manage it from/thru DAHI that could be effective.

there’d have to be some means for them to get academic credit for their efforts though. and to a lesser but real extent i think that the viability of VUE as a tool would have to be sold to people who aren’t used to software coming from that neighborhood, read: closed source app kids dreaming of jobs at google.

but hey, you’ve also dreamed this longer than me and i haven’t looked at tiddlymaps yet (or even explored everything that VUE has to offer).

On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Rich Rath notifications@github.com wrote:

I'll try and make a case for it, but I am not terribly invested in it.

FIrst, the project is stalled. Very little dev is taking place on it.It might have just been updated to deal with newer versions of java, but as of now you have to do the whole java6 thing which is nearing end of life. I think they are patching up for java 8 though.

Java programs, while it is nice to be able to run them cross-platform mostly out of the box, are slowish and ugly on the graphic side. FOnt rendering is nightmarish in Linux without major fixup.

Java is too much of a security risk and too slow to use in any serious fashion as a web app. VUE would be most excellent as a web app I think.Site maps and other forms of navigation can be imported without too much difficulty since the web is a directed graph basically.

If it is granted that it would be useful to be able to get all or most of VUEs features available via web app type interfaces, then javascript seems to be the obvious choice since there are already toolkits and libraries that make much of the program possible, just they are lying around in bits and pieces here and there.

The combo of the links and nodes model with rdf capabilities would be very useful. any batch of rdf data pretty much could be visualized pretty simply (I think, but I am not sure...sometimes importing rdf is easy, other times not so much.

I am trying to persuade the tiddlymaps people in this direction. Tiddlywiki is a very cool tool as well, just rewritten from the ground up in node.js and javascript. I keep all my research notes in it. being able to map that hypertext as a vue map would be very useful and is pretty nearly possible with the tiddlymaps extension. (see #14 https://github.com/digiah/2do/issues/14).

Leaving the hyperbolic part for the other issue.

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[rcrath]

OK so it would make sense to approach Dan Suthers in CS on this and maybe ask Gwen. I think framing it as a student for credit effort is good. We can leave it b back burner for the moment