Open sull opened 7 years ago
Bradymck
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7 years ago Hey @sull is this primarily a community based district or will you have a market component as well? If so how do you see that playing out to fund the endeavors of the party? We have a pay to play political model in this country and a political party takes a lot of money. lol
Would love to hear your thoughts. I think about this a lot myself
sull
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7 years ago I think a market driven approach would be core. Though I did not mention it, I have concepts of incorporating a CLEAN token as a reward for all things relevant to participating in both the initial exploratory phase (which could be years) and a potential party formation phase (if deemed feasible to proceed as an officially registered party).
Theoretically, the org/district could accept donations and issue CLEAN tokens as receipts/rewards. It might be an interesting contrast to the ICO space by applying a version of a token sale model to political related org (DAO in this case).
It's hard to motivate people to do grunt work involved in being a real part of a movement, especially related to politics and government reform. People tend to get excited (like during and after this past elections) but then reality sets in and motivation fades. A token model could be an experiment worth doing to keep people vested.
A District like this proposal would easily mesh well with many other proposed Districts I have seen listed.
As for the feasibility of actually creating a party and being a relevant party.... I think it's the process that is important and not necessarily leaping right to relevance which is not realistic. There are tactics that can be used to make the effort meaningful by collaborating with other orgs and parties and by being an incubator of advocacy groups.. Assisting in efforts to get certain people elected running as candidates in other parties if there is strategic incentive. Things like that are all potential roles that an entity like Clean Party could fill.
My early thoughts also involved innovating voting technology (clean.vote sub-project) using distributed ledgers etc.
All this to say... pay to play is true but it's the exploration and active collaborative process that may be the most interesting aspect more so than bringing a viable 3rd party candidate to the stage.
rongomaib
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7 years ago I was thinking of starting a political party, but with a delegative democracy model where the members of the government who get in are selected randomly from the member list. The randomly selected members then recieve the benefits of being a politician. If they do not do as the party says they are ejected from the party and lose their cushy job. I think the incentives are there for the system to work...
In the end I'm not sure if you could fund a political party with crypto as most elections do not allow foreign donors to be involved...
sull
commented
7 years ago Interesting.
Note that an official party could be funded traditionally but crypto tokens could be used for funding as rewards for all aspects leading up to any official party formation. On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 11:06 AM imdying notifications@github.com wrote:
I was thinking of starting a political party, but with a delegative democracy model where the members of the government who get in are selected randomly from the member list. The randomly selected members then recieve the benefits of being a politician. If they do not do as the party says they are ejected from the party and lose their cushy job. I think the incentives are there for the system to work...
In the end I'm not sure if you could fund a political party with crypto as most elections do not allow foreign donors to be involved...
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bubbleburster
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7 years ago Interesting but i'm not sure crypto is fully exploited there
rongomaib
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7 years ago Wrote about this elsewhere - posting here for the pic explaining delegative democracy:
These are the non-technical issues as I see them:
I've been thinking about how to best get a delegative democracy working and I've come up with this basic process to possibly trial a system...
Any obvious flaws in this plan?
rpcarson
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7 years ago @imdying obvious flaw to me is that the one randomly selected may be less capable than another. also, if all they are doing is the will of the party behind them, then we have just put a new mask on the same politics currently driving america. our politicians do what the party wants, not what the people want.
sull
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7 years ago @bubbleburster - Interesting but i'm not sure crypto is fully exploited there
Could you elaborate? Do you mean that you don't see the DAO model as suitable for a district that focuses on the both the process of exploring to form an official political party and the roles and goals that a Clean Party District could adopt throughout this potentially multi-year process?
I interpret Districts as very similar to grassroots efforts which is certainly related to political type of movements and orgs. A District would be an ideal precursor to an actual political party because the market-driven aspects of these communities can be leveraged to create, define and mold what the party should strive to be... and along the way garnering interest, support, members and active participants. It could end up that the District itself will always be more important than the idea of forming an official political party. In a sense, that goal can actually be a passive threat... meaning that if all signals lead to the conclusion that YES, the exploratory process has shown that it does make sense and it is feasible to create this party.... The triggering of actually moving forward to do it could be in a perpetual holding pattern while other initiatives continue. I find that approach interesting. As the District grows, the "threat" to enter the political landscape as a party becomes more powerful and meaningful. This is as opposed to prematurely launching a party and it having little to no impact which could result in a rapid dissolution. So the power of this is in the decentralized District and the informal processes spanning multiple years.
sull
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7 years ago @imdying
My thoughts on voting technology, like all other aspects of this, is all about the long game. Not 2020 or even nec 2024. But voting tech needs continuous research and development and trial programs. Eventually, a sort of blockchain voting system could be deployed for lower level elections (think towns) for primarily collecting research data to be assessed and studied by various institutions that are broadly involved in voting reform and advancements.
The Clean Party project has a sub-project for this (clean.vote) which is intended to be focused primarily on crypto based distributed ledgers as a component (not nec the entire solution). Other areas of focus would be on how to make improvements to existing legacy systems all the way down to paper ballot voting card design.
rongomaib
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7 years ago @rpcarson
our politicians do what the party wants, not what the people want.
The democratic process within the parties is broken. That's why bernie didn't get nominated.
Also when politicians get elected there's no mechanism for removing them if they stop representing their constituents.
All a randomly selected person would have to do is show up and push a button - it's not that hard. I'd rather have that than power hungry narcissists like we have now.
Bradymck
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4 years ago Hey @sull ,
I'm not sure if you're aware but we recently launched a new bounty to migrate your proposals to the actual District Registry: https://registry.district0x.io/
We're replacing the old voting app with the registry. Let me know if you need help but I would love to see you migrate this over so you can claim your DNT.
It does take a 10,000 DNT submit to submit your proposal but this gives you an extra 2000 you can stake in the registry beyond the deposit amount.
Hit me up on Telegram or Discord if you need help or have questions.
Telegram: https://t.me/district0x/75217 Discord: https://discord.gg/P9RQejv
PS, please excuse the canned response. I am encouraging everyone here to start migrating so they can claim their 12000 DNT.
Oh also, I have been thinking of this proposal a lot lately with Coinbase getting into lobbying, people talking about crypto being a nation, and Facebook wanting to launch a currency. It's all coming to a head. Would love to chat if you have time soon.
Name
The Clean Party
Slogan
Be The Broom.
Website and more info
http://clean.party
Slack handle
sull
Purpose
An exploratory project assessing the feasibility of creating a new political party in the United States. This process involves research, discussion, collaboration and branding exercises. All of these aspects can be handled with the features of a District.
Description
When it comes to politics, elections, government, business, Wall Street, Main Stream Media (MSM) etc… Corruption is a consistent theme. Add to this government waste, bloated complex and unfair legal codes, misinformation/disinformation/propaganda and a broken congress driven primarily by partisan tactics and abuse of power rather than honestly representing constituents and fixing things… There is much to clean up and The People know this to be true. The Clean Party will formulate a platform that will strive to reform from the root of these problems because each broken layer creates, holds and supports more broken layers above it. If one layer is fixed without working on lower layers, then inevitably those improvements will be temporary. America needs permanent lasting solutions that will shape the future of governance, business, media and society in general.
A core tenet of The Clean Party is Clean Energy, Air and Water innovation and policies that benefit the environment and the tech companies that are working to bring new impactful solutions and services to the market. The Clean Party will advocate for things like distributed energy, clean tech tax cuts, carbon credit programs, smart grid, solar and wind and other types of renewable energy adoption and other issues related to air and water pollution.
It is imperative that we as a nation do what is best for our planet alongside other nations with similar commitments. It is not a partisan or a geo-divisive issue to be logical and work to improve the global environmental health of the planet.
The Clean Party will encompass other issues beyond corruption, reforms and the environment such as the modernization of voting technology, culture of poverty and battling misinformation/disinformation which has become an epidemic in America.
It will be the intention to not bloat the party’s platform and instead let many other issues and topics be openly expressed through individuals, be it candidates, thought-leaders, artists and any citizen that chooses to become a member of The Clean Party.
C L E A N
as an Acronym
Commitment is the promise to give the best effort to all attempts at improving, based on derived empirical scientific data, our nation’s systems that this party has chosen to dedicate attention and resources to. The commitment extends to how things are done as well. Truthfully, transparently and without internal pre-defined agendas. Once logic can prevail, the current political agendas can be addressed and influenced by this party’s commitment and fortitude.
Lobbying as a word and a role has a bad reputation. The media typically emphasizes the notion of lobbyists sticking envelopes of cash in politicians pockets. The truth is, lobbying is a very important element of our democracy. Well-intentioned non-corrupt lobbying efforts become the voice of many to the ears of few. Those few who receive the message and supporting data will at least be exposed to it if not consider it and possibly enact upon it. Without the lobbyist, the message would remain background noise, barring other forms of support and strategy that would likely have less chance for success.
Education is paramount to all else. It goes without saying that if you know not what you speak of, then sit down and listen. This party seeks to be educated and to educate those who have the power to do the right thing with the new knowledge that they have been given and now behold. Knowledge, after all, is power.
Altruism in politics may not align with individualistic altruism but the notion to selflessly act on behalf of others is inherent in this party as it is the entire reason for it’s existence and entrance into the political landscape. Why form The Clean Party if not to address the the wrongness of what is happening and to to do so for the benefit of a great number of citizens. Whatever is personally gained by those who participate and succeed in these efforts can be seen as circular. We would hope that each participant in The Clean Party continue their efforts long into the future. Reciprocity can be unavoidable when goals are met in politics. The strive to be altruistic is what matters most and if nothing else it is a code to adopt and live by. It can keep your path as pure as you need it to be.
Normative philosophy in the context of this political party is knowing that in addition to empirical data, we know in our hearts as humans what should be done on moral levels and referring to a universal common sense when it comes to handling the many complicated issues that any politically inclined organization will inevitably face. A moral compass should be in all of our pockets.