Synthesis Fails

[Thortok]

Alright, I've double-checked that I had the right stats loaded this time.

Alchemist, level 25, Craftsmanship 157, recipe is Natron, ingenuity buff, basic synthesis, Optimizer says 44 but correct value is 43.

[Thortok]

Goldsmith, level 25, Craftsmanship 148, recipe is Flawless Band, no buff, careful synthesis, Optimizer says 30 but correct value is 29.

[doxxx]

By "synthesis fails" I'm guessing you mean that it completed early before you could perform quality increasing actions?

[Thortok]

The opposite. It didn't complete at all. The optimizer thought it would get more progress than it actually did, so not enough progress occurred in game.

[doxxx]

There is unfortunately no quick and easy fix for this.

[Thortok]

Here's a Synth too quickly one: Level 26 Goldsmith, recipe is Sunstone Ring, craftsmanship 152, no buff, basic synthesis progress in-game is 31, in optimizer is 30.

[Thortok]

Another fail. Level 28 Blacksmith, craftsmanship 157, recipe is steel cross-pein hammer, with ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 36, optimizer thinks it's 37.

[Thortok]

Another fail. Level 30 Carpenter, craftsmanship 161, recipe is vintage square shield, with ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 17, optimizer thinks it's 36. This one is really, really far off.

[Thortok]

Another fail. Level 30 Leatherworker, craftsmanship 153, recipe is boarskin crakows, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 30, optimizer thinks it's 31.

[doxxx]

We should be handling items which require a specific elemental aspect, like the Vintage items, so if you could give more information I'd appreciate it. How much progress do you get for the appropriate Brand of X action vs a Basic Synthesis on a Vintage item?

[Thortok]

I'm not actually high enough level to have those abilities yet but I'll let you know when I am =D

[doxxx]

Any more examples of Vintage items (or other items with an elemental aspect) would be useful.

[Thortok]

It does appear to be an issue with elemental aspect recipes. Level 30 Alchemist, craftsmanship is 168, recipe is Maddening Daggers, with ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 18, optimizer has it as 37. Also, careful synth progress is 16, optimizer has it as 33.

It's going to be several levels before my crafters get from level 30/31 to 37 and get the brand actions available. Hope you can fix it sooner. =(

[Thortok]

Level 30 Alchemist, craftsmanship is 168, recipe is Vintage Picatrix, with ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 18, optimizer has it as 37. Without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 11, optimizer has it as 18.

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Level 31 Leatherworker, craftsmanship is 182, recipe is Vintage Shepherd's Belt, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 19, optimizer has it as 38. Also with ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 31, optimizer has it as 64.

[Thortok]

Level 31 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 164, recipe is steel ingot, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 44, optimizer has it as 45.

[doxxx]

Typo in last one? On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:15 AM Thortok notifications@github.com wrote:

Level 31 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 164, recipe is steel ingot, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 45, optimizer has it as 45.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/doxxx/ffxiv-craft-opt-web/issues/91#issuecomment-157744681 .

[Thortok]

Yup, fixed.

Level 31 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 164, recipe is Vintage Bastard Sword, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 17, optimizer has it as 34. Without ingenuity buff, standard synth is 18, optimizer has it as 33. Without ingenuity buff, basic synth is 12, optimizer has it as 22.

[Thortok]

Here's a synth too quickly one.

Level 32 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 163, recipe is Mythril Wristlets of Crafting, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 24, optimizer thinks it's 23. Also basic synth progress is 27, optimizer thinks it's 25.

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Level 32 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 163, recipe is Vintage Cudgel, without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 20, optimizer thinks it's 38, also basic synth progress is 13, optimizer thinks it's 25.

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Level 33 Carpenter, craftsmanship is 184, recipe is Vintage Cane, with ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 30, optimizer thinks it's 61. With ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 20, optimizer thinks it's 41. Without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 18, optimizer thinks it's 30.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly:

Level 33 Armorer, craftsmanship is 192, recipe is Steel-plated Caligae, without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 35, optimizer thinks it's 34. Without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 53, optimizer thinks it's 51.

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Level 33 Armorer, craftsmanship is 192, recipe is Vintage Hoplon, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 16, optimizer thinks it's 30. Without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 26, optimizer thinks it's 51.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly:

Level 33 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 175, recipe is 36 - Mythril Ring of Crafting, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 26, optimizer thinks it's 24.

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Level 34 Leatherworker, craftsmanship is 188, recipe is 37 - Vintage Chef's Belt, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 14, optimizer thinks it's 26. With ingenuity buff, careful synth is 20, optimizer thinks it's 41. With ingenuity buff, standard synth is 34, optimizer thinks it's 69.

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Level 34 Leatherworker, craftsmanship is 188, recipe is 39 - Vintage Smithy's Gloves, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 11, optimizer thinks it's 18. With ingenuity buff, standard synth is 31, optimizer thinks it's 63.

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Level 34 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 190, recipe is 38 - Vintage Viking Sword, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 12, optimizer thinks it's 22. Without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 14, optimizer thinks it's 25. With ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 22, optimizer thinks it's 44.

[Thortok]

Level 34 Armorer, craftsmanship is 199, recipe is 38 - Vintage Celata, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 13, optimizer thinks it's 23, basic synth progress is 14, optimizer thinks it's 26.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly:

Level 34 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 182, recipe is 37 - Heliodor Choker, without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 46, optimizer thinks it's 42. Without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 30, optimizer thinks it's 28.

[Thortok]

Level 34 Alchemist, craftsmanship is 188, recipe is 39 - Wand of Tides, with ingenuity, standard synth is 62, optimizer says 63.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly:

Level 35 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 190, recipe is 40 - Mythril Claw Hammer, without ingenuity, standard synth is 37, optimizer thinks it's 31. With ingenuity buff, basic synth is 42, optimizer thinks it's 38. With ingenuity buff, careful synth is 37, optimizer thinks it's 34.

To clarify, I am only reporting when A - a synthesis fails (not enough progress to complete the synth in spite of a 100% probability of success reported by optimizer) or B - a synthesis finishes quickly enough that the macro was not on its final step, wasting durability/cp that could have increased quality.

There are many times where the numbers from the optimizer do not match what's shown in-game (practically every single time in fact, an exact match is a rarity), particularly for quality which is far less important to a successful synth. I can report these if desired, but they often do not actually affect outcome in the sequences I happen to get from the solver, so the information would only help with supplying data to help with reverse engineering, or if an alternate sequence was generated that did fail.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly: Level 35 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 190, recipe is 40 - Mythril File, with ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 37, optimizer thinks it's 34.

[Thortok]

Synth too quickly: Level 35 Blacksmith, craftsmanship is 190, recipe is 40 - Mythril Awl, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 22, optimizer thinks it's 19. Without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 37, optimizer thinks 31.

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Synth too quickly: Level 35 Culinarian, craftsmanship is 198, recipe is 38 - Mugwort Carp, without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 33, optimizer has it as 30.

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Synth Fail: Level 35 Alchemist, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 39 - Clinker Bricks, with ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 67, optimizer thinks it's 68.

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Synth Fail: Level 36 Armorer, craftsmanship is 199, recipe is 40 - Vintage Scutum, without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 13, optimizer thinks it's 23. Without ingenuity buff, brand of earth progress is 29, optimizer thinks it's 53.

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Level 36 Weaver, craftsmanship is 188, recipe is 35 - Vintage Half Apron, without ingenuity buff, brand of wind progress is 21, optimizer thinks it's 44.

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Synth too quickly: Level 37 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 182, recipe is 40 - Jadeite, without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 46, optimizer thinks it's 42. Without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 27, optimizer thinks it's 25.

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Synth too quickly: Level 37 Goldsmith, craftsmanship is 182, recipe is 40 - Peridot Earrings, without ingenuity buff, standard synth progress is 46, optimizer thinks it's 42. Without ingenuity buff, careful synth progress is 27, optimizer thinks it's 25. Without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 30, optimizer thinks it's 28.

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Synth too quickly: Level 37 Alchemist, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 38 - Embossed Book of Silver, without ingenuity buff, basic synth progress is 39, optimizer thinks 38. No buff, standard synth is 59, optimizer thinks 58.

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Synth too quickly: Level 38 Carpenter, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 41 - Plumed Oak Macuahuitl, without ingenuity buff, standard synth is 49, optimizer thinks 45.

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Synth too quickly: Level 38 Carpenter, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 43 - Garnet Grinding Wheel, without ingenuity buff, basic synth is 25, optimizer thinks 21.

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Synth Fail: Level 38 Carpenter, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 43 - Vintage Round Shield, without ingenuity buff, Brand of Wind is 25, optimizer thinks 43.

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Synth Fail: Level 38 Weaver, craftsmanship is 192, recipe is 38 - Woolen Yarn, without ingenuity buff, standard synth is 63, optimizer thinks 64.

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Synth too quickly: Level 38 Carpenter, craftsmanship is 194, recipe is 39 - Oak Pattens, without ingenuity buff, standard synth is 59 not 58, basic synth is 39 not 38.

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Synth too quickly: Level 38 Leatherworker, craftsmanship 199, (41) Boarskin Moccasins, no buff, standard synth is 50 not 46.

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Synth Fails: 38 LTW, Craft 199, (41) Vintage Thighboots, no buff, Brand of Earth is 33 not 62.

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Synth too quickly: 38 GSM, Craft 187, (41) Pearl Earrings, no buff Careful Synth is 28 not 26, no buff standard synth is 47 not 43, ingenuity basic synth is correct at 45.

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Synth Fail: 38 WVR, Craft 192, (37) Vintage Coatee, no buff standard synth is 33 not 67.

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Synth too quickly: 39 BSM, Craft 203, (42) Mythril Round Knife, no buff careful synth is 30 not 28, no buff basic synth is 34 not 31.

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Synth Fail: 39 GSM, Craft 191 (30) Siltstone Whetstone, no buff careful synth is 50 not 51.