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Question: 3.3V vs. 16Mhz crystal #11

Open lanmarc77 opened 5 years ago

lanmarc77 commented 5 years ago

Hi, the schematics state that the Lora Mini is running with a 16Mhz crystal and the module is powered by 3.3V. The datasheet of the Atmega328p states under speed grades that for 16Mhz a minimum of 4.5V are needed. While it still might work it seems out of the specified range and might not work under e.g. different temperature/pressure conditions. Isn't it?

lanmarc77 commented 5 years ago

After analyzing a factory default module I can confirm that the module is used outside of specification if you use VCC lower than 4.5V. As the lora module can only handle 3.9V the module can not be operated according to specification. This is a pretty heavy design flaw. It can be fixed though. One needs a programmer e.g. an mkII and enable the CKDIV8 fuse. This will lower the cpu clock frequency by 8 to 2Mhz. You then need to upload your sketches with 14.400bps or you upload a different bootloader e.g. mighty core. When using an external programmer like the mkII make sure you pull the NSS line high, as the lora module shares the SPI pins with the atmega328p. I was able to reprogram the bootlader and fuses and could successfully work with low voltages. If you need more processing power you could increase the clock speed right after your program starts to a fitting prescaler and VCC needs.

Donderda commented 5 years ago

That’s really heavy. By reprogramming and setting the fuse: do you mean the atmegas CKDIV8 fuse? I was going to use the atmega328 with the internal 8Mhz crystal. Do you have any experience with this constellation?

lanmarc77 commented 5 years ago

@Donderda Yes the atmega fuse. This division by 8 also applies to the internal RC oscillator. So you get 1MHz at bootup. Your program could then increase the clockspeed e.g. to 4 Mhz by changing the clock prescaler to 2. This will be in specification until 1.8V and allows maximum CPU power. The RC oscillator precision is not very good though. Especially if used in different temperature environments (e.g. outside). I always used an external crystal. You would need to test if the precision is good enough to fit to the LoRaWAN specifications. It isn't if downlinks are not working which includes OTAA.

Donderda commented 5 years ago

A great, thank you for your hints, they will surely help me :-).

If I got this correctly, I will have to:

Thank you again for your help 😊

lanmarc77 commented 5 years ago

Almost. If you choose to set/program the CKDIV8 fuse I suggest you use a bootlader that already works with the resulting CPU clock. For an external 8Mhz crystal this would then be a bootlader with 1Mhz. If you choose to increase clock speed later in your program you might get a problem (depending on your program). The Arduino IDE takes the macro F_CPU from the boards.txt, where also the upload speed is defined. This macro tells all libraries what the actual clock speed of the controller is. All the libraries are then compiled (based on your example) with a clock speed of 1Mhz (millis(), Serial.begin(xx)...). Clock speed needs to be known as it needs to be used for calculating the prescalers for timers and uarts and... So if you then increase clock speed later in your program lets say to 2Mhz millis() will run double as fast as it was compiled with timer prescalers based on 1Mhz. If that is the case for your example you need to make a new entry in the boards.txt for your specific setup.

Donderda commented 5 years ago

Ah thank you for your clarification!

So my approach was correct, but I don’t need to increase the clockspeed manually in my code, right?

lanmarc77 commented 5 years ago

No it is not neccessary if 1Mhz is enough for you. It certainly avoids a lot of additional work.