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quotation marks #23

Closed katrin-berkenbusch closed 6 years ago

katrin-berkenbusch commented 10 years ago

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

yvanrichard commented 10 years ago

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

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What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

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katrin-berkenbusch commented 10 years ago

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

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edwardabraham commented 10 years ago

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

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edwardabraham commented 10 years ago

If you look closely the left tick is fatter at the bottom, and the right tick is fatter at the top. On 2 Jul 2014 07:50, "Edward Abraham" edward@dragonfly.co.nz wrote:

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub < https://github.com/dragonfly-science/dragonfly-latex-templates/issues/23>

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katrin-berkenbusch commented 10 years ago

Yes, must the left ticks slant the wrong way, style of the font or not.

On 2/07/2014, at 7:51 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

If you look closely the left tick is fatter at the bottom, and the right tick is fatter at the top. On 2 Jul 2014 07:50, "Edward Abraham" edward@dragonfly.co.nz wrote:

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

edwardabraham commented 10 years ago

Glad you are so careful. However ...

Fonts have a 'left quote' and that's the one. Short of changing the font, or redesigning that character to make a new font, we're stuck with it. The slope is somewhat moot ... old tadpole quotes don't really have a slope. The weight at the bottom gives it away.

Of course some of these fonts have options, usually around the shape of numerals, ligatures, etc. It is possible that the quote character has variants within the font.

You will see that when the report is turned into an AEBR the quotes will go back to normal times roman mosquito larvae.

E On 2 Jul 2014 07:53, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

Yes, must the left ticks slant the wrong way, style of the font or not.

On 2/07/2014, at 7:51 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

If you look closely the left tick is fatter at the bottom, and the right tick is fatter at the top. On 2 Jul 2014 07:50, "Edward Abraham" edward@dragonfly.co.nz wrote:

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com

wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/dragonfly-science/dragonfly-latex-templates/issues/23#issuecomment-47702309 .

katrin-berkenbusch commented 10 years ago

Hi Ed,

Thanks for checking it. Although Palatino and I go way back, the quotation marks really don't work.
Looking forward to seeing the mosquito larvae in due course. : ) K

On 2/07/2014, at 8:02 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

Glad you are so careful. However ...

Fonts have a 'left quote' and that's the one. Short of changing the font, or redesigning that character to make a new font, we're stuck with it. The slope is somewhat moot ... old tadpole quotes don't really have a slope. The weight at the bottom gives it away.

Of course some of these fonts have options, usually around the shape of numerals, ligatures, etc. It is possible that the quote character has variants within the font.

You will see that when the report is turned into an AEBR the quotes will go back to normal times roman mosquito larvae.

E On 2 Jul 2014 07:53, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

Yes, must the left ticks slant the wrong way, style of the font or not.

On 2/07/2014, at 7:51 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

If you look closely the left tick is fatter at the bottom, and the right tick is fatter at the top. On 2 Jul 2014 07:50, "Edward Abraham" edward@dragonfly.co.nz wrote:

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com

wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/dragonfly-science/dragonfly-latex-templates/issues/23#issuecomment-47702309 .

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edwardabraham commented 10 years ago

Of course you could just use fewer bunny-ears (i.e. none) and save quote marks for quotations!

On 2 July 2014 08:05, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi Ed,

Thanks for checking it. Although Palatino and I go way back, the quotation marks really don't work. Looking forward to seeing the mosquito larvae in due course. : ) K

On 2/07/2014, at 8:02 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

Glad you are so careful. However ...

Fonts have a 'left quote' and that's the one. Short of changing the font, or redesigning that character to make a new font, we're stuck with it. The slope is somewhat moot ... old tadpole quotes don't really have a slope. The weight at the bottom gives it away.

Of course some of these fonts have options, usually around the shape of numerals, ligatures, etc. It is possible that the quote character has variants within the font.

You will see that when the report is turned into an AEBR the quotes will go back to normal times roman mosquito larvae.

E On 2 Jul 2014 07:53, "katrin-berkenbusch" notifications@github.com wrote:

Yes, must the left ticks slant the wrong way, style of the font or not.

On 2/07/2014, at 7:51 AM, Edward Abraham notifications@github.com wrote:

If you look closely the left tick is fatter at the bottom, and the right tick is fatter at the top. On 2 Jul 2014 07:50, "Edward Abraham" edward@dragonfly.co.nz wrote:

Screenshots please ... we think that it is just the style of the font On 2 Jul 2014 07:41, "katrin-berkenbusch" < notifications@github.com> wrote:

That doesn't seem to be working - it doesn't look right in the PDF. Any other suggestions? Katrin

On 1/07/2014, at 6:36 PM, Yvan Richard notifications@github.com

wrote:

Double backticks then double straight, e.g. ``a quote''

On 1 July 2014 16:09, katrin-berkenbusch < notifications@github.com>

wrote:

What's the right way to get correct quotation marks in the text? Using ` and ' doesn't seem to produce the right ones.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub < https://github.com/dragonfly-science/dragonfly-latex-templates/issues/23#issuecomment-47702309>

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finlay commented 10 years ago

Hi

I have investigated this a bit further. It seems that the quote are a Palatino thing. While it is possible to replace the glyphs used, it is tricky,. Don't really want to.

In other news, Ed wonders why you need to use the quotes at all. Are they really necessary ?

In general, I don't think we are going to fix this. If you use the double quotes then it will display the character that Palatino wants to. If you don't like the look, don't use double quotes.

F

katrin-berkenbusch commented 10 years ago

Hi Ed and Finlay,

Thanks for looking into it, I appreciate that it's too difficult to change the look. Yes, double quotation marks are necessary at times, so I am not willing to restrict them to quotations. There is a time and a place for single quotation marks, so you can't just use them instead of the double marks. Having said that, the display problem is the same for single quotation marks, i.e, the slant looks wrong in the PDF.

Let's just live with it for now. There is consolation in knowing that the problem won't be there in AEBRs.

Thanks again, Katrin

On 2/07/2014, at 11:41 AM, Finlay Thompson notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi

I have investigated this a bit further. It seems that the quote are a Palatino thing. While it is possible to replace the glyphs used, it is tricky,. Don't really want to.

In other news, Ed wonders why you need to use the quotes at all. Are they really necessary ?

In general, I don't think we are going to fix this. If you use the double quotes then it will display the character that Palatino wants to. If you don't like the look, don't use double quotes.

F

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edwardabraham commented 10 years ago

Sorry, I was trolling there. I had better get back to work :)

On 2 July 2014 11:46, katrin-berkenbusch notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi Ed and Finlay,

Thanks for looking into it, I appreciate that it's too difficult to change the look. Yes, double quotation marks are necessary at times, so I am not willing to restrict them to quotations. There is a time and a place for single quotation marks, so you can't just use them instead of the double marks. Having said that, the display problem is the same for single quotation marks, i.e, the slant looks wrong in the PDF.

Let's just live with it for now. There is consolation in knowing that the problem won't be there in AEBRs.

Thanks again, Katrin

On 2/07/2014, at 11:41 AM, Finlay Thompson notifications@github.com wrote:

Hi

I have investigated this a bit further. It seems that the quote are a Palatino thing. While it is possible to replace the glyphs used, it is tricky,. Don't really want to.

In other news, Ed wonders why you need to use the quotes at all. Are they really necessary ?

In general, I don't think we are going to fix this. If you use the double quotes then it will display the character that Palatino wants to. If you don't like the look, don't use double quotes.

F

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