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deCONZ REST-API plugin to control ZigBee devices
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ConBee Support for Thread Protocol #4239

Closed Veldkornet closed 7 months ago

Veldkornet commented 3 years ago

Feature request type

Add support for the Thread protocol to the ConBee / RaspBee devices

Description

Since the launch of the Apple HomePod Mini supporting Thread, consumer products have now become available from both Nanoleaf as well as Eve, with more devices on the way. Currently, only the HomePod Mini is the only consumer border router available. If the ConBee supported Thread, it could be used in combination with the OpenThread border router docker container, the setup of which is briefly described here in an article about CHIP, which makes use of Thread. This in turn would hopefully make it possible to be used in HomeAssistant and other similar applications for example.

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Additional context

It's my understanding from this post that the ConBee could be updated to support Thread.

Kristian8606 commented 3 years ago

I would like to install a firmware to turn my Conbee 2 into a border router. Please the Deconz team share their thoughts.

Mimiix commented 3 years ago

Passed it onto Manup. Awaiting his response.

manup commented 3 years ago

I think it should be possible with the OpenThread R21 hardware support, the Microchip R21 is the radio used ConBee II and RaspBee II. Currently we don't have plans to create and maintain a firmware for Thread support on our own in near future, since the focus is on Zigbee and there aren't many documented Thread products out there yet.

This might change in future if Thread becomes more popular. I really hope Thread becomes more adoption, as one common firmware stack like OpenThread for multiple vendors is a huge step forward.

https://github.com/openthread/openthread/tree/master/third_party/microchip

scobby commented 3 years ago

if i see it right, somebody already did this with the R21 Chip: https://github.com/openthread/ot-samr21

manup commented 3 years ago

Nice, good to know there is activity in that direction. I did a little research here too and found that Thread alone wouldn't cut it in future, on top of it sits the CHIP protocol, which luckily also uses Zigbee APS (or parts of it) and ZCL layers. In theory I can think of lower layer Thread support in deCONZ while ZCL handling could be shared with current code.

scobby commented 3 years ago

That would be great! And for sure more orders for conbee sticks :)

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 Nice, good to know there is activity in that direction. I did a little research here too and found that Thread alone wouldn't cut it in future, on top of it sits the CHIP protocol, which luckily also uses Zigbee APS (or parts of it) and ZCL layers. In theory I can think of lower layer Thread support in deCONZ while ZCL handling could be shared with current code.

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Kristian8606 commented 3 years ago

I built the binaries and got to this step, https://github.com/openthread/ot-samr21#flash-binaries Can anyone help me flash these files on conbee 2

ln-12 commented 2 years ago

Hey, are there any updates on this? I read an article at the german news site heise which states that there are 60 devices which are currently being certified and that Matter (successor of CHIP) will launch in summer 2022.

reinisb commented 2 years ago

Hey! Same question on the progress. I'm in the process of ordering a bunch of new generation eve devices that all support thread. I'd love to use my conbee ii + raspberry pi as a thread border router!

ebaauw commented 2 years ago

Eve have announced that their Thread-enabled devices will support Matter, see https://www.evehome.com/en/matter?mtm_campaign=Matter%20Video&mtm_source=newsletter, but currently they run HomeKit over Thread. I doubt they’ll currently work with any non-Apple border router.

reinisb commented 2 years ago

but currently they run HomeKit over Thread. I doubt they’ll currently work with any non-Apple border router.

I did not know that it is possible for a device to run Thread and at the same time have a limitation baked in defining that it can only work with Homekit border router (e.g. HomeKit Mini or Apple TV 4k 2gen). I had understood that an thread-enabled device works with any border router.

ebaauw commented 2 years ago

They run HomeKit (HAP) using Bluetooth and Thread as underlying transports. It's HomeKit, i.e. Apple, so anything non-standard is possible, I'm afraid. I don't know the details, but I think the Eve devices only turn on their Thread capability when they see an Apple border router (over Bluetooth). I only have Eve (Thermo, Energy, Weather, and Door Sensor) and Apple (HomePod mini, latest Apple TV) Thread devices, so I cannot test whether they play nice with other Thread devices. It's probably not so much Thread itself as the HomeKit application-level protocol on top of that. Matter should hopefully get rid of this nonsense, as it also standardised the application-level protocols.

Kristian8606 commented 2 years ago

https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/19/nanoleaf-homekit-lights-get-thread-router-support-software-update/

ebaauw commented 2 years ago

Cool, another item on my list for when I'll have won the lottery.

ajdezigns commented 2 years ago

Feature request type

Add support for Matter (formerly Project CHIP)

URL: https://github.com/project-chip/connectedhomeip

Description

Matter (formerly Project Connected Home over IP, or Project CHIP) is a new Working Group within the Connectivity Standards Alliance (CSA, formerly Zigbee Alliance). This Working Group plans to develop and promote the adoption of a new, royalty-free connectivity standard to increase compatibility among smart home products, with security as a fundamental design tenet.

The goal of the Matter project is to simplify development for manufacturers and increase compatibility for consumers. The project is built around a shared belief that smart home devices should be secure, reliable, and seamless to use. By building upon Internet Protocol (IP), the project aims to enable communication across smart home devices, mobile apps, and cloud services and to define a specific set of IP-based networking technologies for device certification.

gloomytree commented 2 years ago

I'd like to add that the Home Assistant Yellow project goes into this direction. They include a Zigbee & Thread Gateway on their Yellow. I think this will give Thread another push forward. I'd love to see compatibility on the Conbee II, as I have just ordered my upgrade from the Raspbee 1 =)

stefanuytterhoeven commented 2 years ago

Really waiting die this! More and more than enabled devices appear...

stefanuytterhoeven commented 2 years ago

still no news about thread support? Or do i need to buy the home assistant yellow?

fcastilloec commented 2 years ago

I'm looking into buying a Zigbee dongle/hub right now but given that Matter is right around the corner, I want to make sure that whatever I buy will work with Matter too. It doesn't have to work right now, any promise that will work is good enough. The Conbee II seems like the best option for me IF there's a path to update to Matter. Home Assistant yellow is not an option for me because I already own a Raspberry Pi 4 and don't want to replace it this soon. This is the same sentiment behind the Conbee II, I don't want to have to replace it soon once Matter is ubiquitous.

manup commented 2 years ago

Just made a test with https://github.com/openthread/ot-samr21 compilation is smooth. I very much like the design of the OpenThread stack as it allows to let it even run a very minimal version on the MCU of the ConBee II (even ConBee I could be ported) letting the bulk work to the host application.

However after flashing the binary nothing worked, which makes sense. Next steps are to adapt the linker script since ConBee II bootloader expects the application code on a certain address as well as to enable the watchdog handling in the OpenThread stack otherwise it would kill itself after a few seconds.

To be frank I'm yet not too deep in the Matter/Thread topic and currently only have brief knowledge about it. But I think with OpenThread Border Router application a Matter controller might be able to connect to it. As soon as the firmware is available it would be cool if someone could make a few tests with it, like connecting with an existing Thread network.

manup commented 2 years ago

And please keep in mind a ConBee II can only run Thread or Zigbee but not both at the same time.

Kristian8606 commented 2 years ago

Is it ready to work as a border router? I built a thread net of 10 nanoleaf bulbs and one homepod. I own 3 raspberries and would like to buy two more conbee2 to build border routers for more network stability, as my wife sometimes disconnects the HomePod from the power supply, and the network becomes unmanageable.

Kristian8606 commented 2 years ago

Is there an easy way to flash the openThread firmware of conbee 2? The openThread samr21 instructions require additional flash hardware that I don't have.

ajdezigns commented 2 years ago

Is it ready to work as a border router? I built a thread net of 10 nanoleaf bulbs and one homepod. I own 3 raspberries and would like to buy two more conbee2 to build border routers for more network stability, as my wife sometimes disconnects the HomePod from the power supply, and the network becomes unmanageable.

How do you control the bulbs from home assistant? Or do you?

Mimiix commented 2 years ago

Can we please stay on topic here? @Kristian8606 @ajdezigns

Kristian8606 commented 2 years ago

The topic is for openThread, and my question is, is there an easy way to flash the ConBee 2 firmware to work as a border router. I would like to test ConBee2 on my existing network.

@manup Is there an easy way to flash the ConBee2 firmware without special tools, for example using raspberry pi?

austwhite commented 1 year ago

I came here looking for the same thing as @Kristian8606 but it looks like no one is responding to this for over a year. Is there an official Conbee firmware to upgrade to be an OpenThread radio or is it still experimental?

As far as I can see, this is quite relevant to this particular Github thread as the title is ConBee Support for Thread Protocol

Smanar commented 1 year ago

https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/gcfflasher

If I m right with it you can flash the conbee "without special tools"

manup commented 7 months ago

A first public testing OpenThread firmware is now available for ConBee II and ConBee III.

Description how to use these with Home Assistant to connect to a Eve Matter plug can be found at: https://phoscon.de/openthread/doc

GIT repository for ConBee II firmware (please ask related questions here) https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/openthread-r21