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Indent is a set of tools for writers, game designers, and roleplayers to create magnificent universes – and everything within them.
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Users should be able to adopt content as their own if it doesn't have an owner #30

Open drusepth opened 11 years ago

Cantido commented 10 years ago

I'm not too sure about this. How would a content end up without an owner? That content still has a creator, even if they aren't on the website anymore, and I'm wondering how that content would be treated as intellectual property. It could be argued that since the original creator left the website, they relinquished the rights to it, but I think it would be better if content transferred between users only with the owner's permission. Otherwise I think it would be best to just delete any orphaned content.

drusepth commented 10 years ago

In thinking through it, I think the best course of action from both the user putting content up for adoption and the user adopting it would be this:

  1. Allow a easy method to put content up for adoption, and don't require any further interaction afterwards
  2. Provide an easy interface for potential adopters to quickly and easily adopt content, but require some kind of form or something (?) to prevent someone from just going through and adopting everything and cleaning out the adoption agency
  3. Until a piece of content is adopted, ownership should remain with the original owner, to allow them to cancel and pull the content back out (until adopted) if necessary

Perhaps it'd be worth allowing people putting content up to specify what kind of post-adoption form would be required ("what are you going to do with this character?" etc), if any. I'm not sure whether that'd be a good idea or not, or whether requiring anything to slow down adoption is even worth it at all. What do you think?

Cantido commented 10 years ago

The general situation I have in mind is writers commissioning characters to others, so there would most likely be an exchange of money involved. This is sort of related to an idea I had for an art website that would facilitate commissions but that's another discussion. Do we want to facilitate an exchange of money, even if it is just via PayPal or something?

To extend your list, here's the idea of workflow I have.

  1. There is a list of characters/whatever that are up for adoption (displayed on either a user's profile or an "adoptables marketplace"). The entry for an adoptable can have a text box for info specific to the transfer, and of course the entry will link to the adoptable's main content page.
  2. Another user applies to take the adoptable. We have a few levels of detail with a form:
    1. Simple button "Request to adopt." Owner allows or disallows.
    2. Plain old text box, requester can coordinate with the poster with what's in there, i.e. owner has a series of questions in their text box, requester answers question in theirs.
    3. User-defined forms.
    4. One of these with an additional price field
  3. The users discuss the transfer.
    • Would there ever be a messaging system on the website? It would be very clunky to make users rely on their own email addresses. Of course this is natural to people who do commissions for a living but I don't think we want require the user go to another web site to continue this work flow.
  4. Owner agrees to transfer the content.
    • Should content always have an "original owner"/"creator" field? I definitely think that would be a good idea. I've seen user profiles on art website that are full of commissioned artwork, and I absolutely want to give the original creators as much credit and publicity as the site can manage.
Cantido commented 10 years ago

I've had the idea for an art website with facilitated commissions rattling around in my head for a while, I would absolutely love it if I could build that site and we built a lot of interop between them. Or if we built that functionality into this and upgrade Indent into an all-around intellectual property engine :dollar:

drusepth commented 10 years ago

Good ideas. I'd definitely love to support person-to-person money transfers as well. The varying levels of button / textbox / form / price is a solid way to support each of the various adoption use-cases in a simple way; I like it.

Would there ever be a messaging system on the website?

Eventually, yes. I think it's inevitable as social features get added that some way of on-site communication accompanies them. I actually have a milestone for Inbox-based messaging, but no issues in it: https://github.com/drusepth/Indent/issues?milestone=47&state=open. It might be the right time to fill it up with some issues if you want to pursue implementing adoption next.

Should content always have an "original owner"/"creator" field?

I think yes. I also think it wouldn't be hard to include a migration whenever adoption is tackled that creates a creator field and copies over the owner field values as a default. I completely agree that giving attribution to the original creator is a great idea.

Would definitely love to expand Indent into an all-around intellectual property engine, and it seems like art would be a natural expansion to writing. Supporting commissions for covers and artwork seems like a great way to support writing as well. There's also an empty milestone for an "Illustration Marketplace" (https://github.com/drusepth/Indent/issues?milestone=41&state=open), which, if that feels like it suits your idea, you're more than welcome to fill with issues fleshing our that idea rattling around your head. :)