Discussion about merging SPC f e and SPC _

[rxqd]

Guys, why we need SPC _ bindings? I use Spacemacs and I reload packages with SPC f e R

Now we have: SPC f e d | open proton dotfile SPC f e s | open atom stylesheet SPC f e i | open atom init script SPC f e p | open atom snippets

SPC d | Find proton dotfile SPC R | Reload atom SPC c | Toggle dev tools SPC r | Reload proton-mode package

I suggest to merge: SPC f e d | open proton dotfile SPC f e s | open atom stylesheet SPC f e i | open atom init script SPC f e p | open atom snippets SPC f e R | Reload atom SPC f e c | Toggle dev tools SPC f e r | Reload proton-mode package

[geksilla]

:+1: for this from my side. Initially I've proposed PR with SPC f e category for consistency with spacemacs. But we decided to move atom specific keybindings to SPC _ category as meta. More info #8

[rxqd]

@geksilla so it will no be implemented and I need to change keys locally in my config? But why we need SPC f e d and SPC _ d duplication? if we need it would be better to extract to function

[geksilla]

As I mentioned I'm ok too merge them. Lets wait for response from other folks.

[geksilla]

Also feel free to join slack group channel #proton.

[dvcrn]

The f category is one thing I don't like about spacemacs. The main reason why this duplication was introduced in the first place was to make life for spacemacs users easier that give proton a try.

Proton and atom related (=meta) commands have nothing to do with every day editor use and should in my opinion not go into file so _, a key far away from what the user would usually use seems like perfect place. There is no chance to accidentally hit it and a special key like that categories these "special" commands quite well.

Why would for example 'reload the editor' be in file? It just doesn't seem logical to me.

If we were to remove one, my vote would be on keeping _ and getting rid of the stuff in f.

[rxqd]

@dvcrn "Why would for example 'reload the editor' be in file?"

Because, I have changed my .proton file and I need to apply it. So, .proton is a file, I look a file section and "oh man!" it is there. I think, we should set options "meta_key": true for those who wants :smile: It will be flexible

[danpolanco]

I tilt the direction of using SPC _ for reloading the editor and using SPC f for either purely file related functions (e.g. SPC f = for beautifying a file) or for some other purpose.

f is a pretty valuable key given its position on the keyboard and I hardly use it once I have my dot file and packages setup the way I like them.

[danpolanco]

For example, it could be [f] -> +focus. Then SPC f j could be focus on pane below. Right now, those:

keys are eating up a lot of SPC home view so they are on my mind :sweat_smile:

[rxqd]

@DanTheColoradan In that case I agree

[dvcrn]

The 'move pane' keys will get moved into w. I just didn't come around to do that yet.

Focus pane is available through VIM bindings (ctrl wh/j/k/l) or proton bindings (spc h/j/k/l), so what you described with f j is already possible through spc j. Navigation is one of the most important functionality. I'm standing strong behind leaving it behind as little keystrokes as possible. It's a substantial difference to hit spc f j instead of spc j. Imagine for example your workflow is centered around having a lot of panes open.

As for the core discussion, I agree with @DanTheColoradan that once your proton file is set up, you close to never have to open or interact with it anyway so putting it away inside a meta category still sounds like the best way to me.

Any other opinions from other people maybe?

BTW: One feature that I hope we can implement in the not too distant future is to rebind entire key clusters. E.g. move everything that is on spc f to spc F. Having this kind of functionality would allow you to move everything under spc _ to spc f e. Though that's still a distant idea.

[richarddewit]

Reload Atom should be in the +quit submenu, along with a Quit option, which we don't have yet. My suggestions, mirroring it with Spacemacs:

Key Binding	Description
SPC f e	+editor (or +editor config)
SPC f e d	Open proton dotfile
SPC f e s	Open Atom stylesheet
SPC f e i	Open Atom init script
SPC f e p	Open Atom snippets
SPC f e R	Reload proton-mode package
SPC f e D	Toggle dev tools
SPC q	+quit
SPC q r	Reload Atom
SPC q q	Quit Atom