Moving all the pool equipment above ground

iteles commented 5 months ago

The pool equipment has been underground in a very badly built machine room for a couple of years and has all begun to rust and corrode already 🙃

Also, we've never had all the equipment actually working at once.

Sr. Pinheiro

I spoke to Sr. Pinheiro who has said: 'If you're able to get all of the machines above ground, nós pomos isso tudo a funcionar'.

He sounded just as committed as every time he's spoken to us for the last 2 years (excellent salesman) which means I have zero confidence he will actually do anything before September.

What we need to determine is how much we think he will do as part of the work he owes us.

Daniel Oscar

He came out and mentioned a few things (@nelsonic he mostly spoke to you so please add to this list):

Recommended we fully empty the pool, clean and refill (personally this is my preferred option)
The pH doser is in a place that could lead to excessive corrosion of the equipment/tubing because it should be placed after a piece of equipment

He gave us a quote of €1700 to include (in Portuguese so that I can just copy paste this list to send to him to confirm) with the important note that if any piece of equipment is completely non-functional, that is no longer part of this quote:

Tubagens novas em tubo rijo, com lógica e acessível para manutenção/em caso de problemas, etiquetados
- Nota: Temos de ter em mente que vêm aí mais algumas tubagens para trazer a água do furo para a piscina e para torneiras exteriores
- The idea behind this is two-fold: to reduce patches but also aesthetically and for maintenance, to make it accessible and obvious
Alterar localização das torneiras para terem mais lógica (mais perto da saída da sala subterrânea) e etiquetar
Alterar localização dos filtros para estarem mais perto da saída da sala subterrânea
Pôr bombas, operadores de sal e quadros elétricos cá em cima, fora da sala das máquinas, incluíndo quadro eletrico e bomba que o Sr. Pinheiro vai ter de deixar cá
- Nota: Temos também de deixar espaço lógico para a bomba da água do furo
- Note: I have been calling SPinheiro every day trying to guarantee the machines are actually here, no luck yet 😠
Pôr todo o equipamento e a cobertura a funcionar
- Nota importante: Se algum equipamento estiver completamente avariado, já não faz parte deste orçamento, teria de ser orçamentado à parte, ou com sorte, à responsabilidade do Azul Piscinas
Esvaziar piscina (not sure how this will be done without being into our garden? 🤔 )
Limpar telas e piscina completamente
Ligar chuveiro a um ponto de água, se houver
Depois da piscina estar cheia, voltar para ter a certeza que está tudo a funcionar e com os níveis de sal corretos para podermos usar só sal sem cloro

I asked about the pool lights and he suggested that pretty cheaply we can buy a little remote control and he can set that up for us so we can switch off lights from the house. Also that he could put on a little timer for us.

Estimated 1 week of work.

Carlos Pinheiro seemed to think he was very good. He sent me some photos of past work which seems mostly orderly and neat:

What could we get 'for free'?

From what I can tell, the only part of this that Sr. Pinheiro's crowd could do as part of the work they owe us are:

Installing the quadro eletrico and pump that are still in his possession
- Personally, I feel like I would rather the other guys did this so the whole setup of the equipment is done by one team with the same logic
Making sure all the equipment 'is working', but Daniel says that's just a part of moving the equipment - how can they guarantee the move has been done correctly if they don't test the equipment and get it working
Emptying and cleaning the pool
- This could save us some money, potentially a chunk (I would have to ask how much) but from our previous experience, I have no confidence that he will get this working without chlorine
- I also feel like they'd say that if we wanted to fully empty the pool and clean it as opposed to dumping in chemicals, they might have to charge us, but I'd have to check this.

Conclusion

Sadly, I think we have to get Daniel to do the bulk of the work and then just rely on Sr. Pinheiro for any malfunctioning equipment and getting the final things sorted like #106 and the outdoor shower (I added it in above but until there are pontos de água, it can't be done).

*BLOCKERS:

[ ] Sr. Pinheiro MUST provide us with the missing quadro and pump before the work starts
- This is by far my biggest concern
[ ] Ideally the water pump is sorted so we can refill from our well https://github.com/dwyl/home/issues/79#issuecomment-1546721145 - Daniel mentioned this would ideally be when the work is complete so they can do all the checks and get it working with the water but 1 week at most after the work is complete so you don't have to worry about the pool lining degrading
- Daniel did say that we can always sort something out temporarily and just get a pump to pump in water - 'isso arranja-se, não há problema'

iteles commented 5 months ago

Spoke to Sr. Pinheiro from the pool people again today.

Unsurprisingly 'they sent the wrong quadro and now they're discontinued but they have an obligation to get one to us', same old same old BS.

But he says they can bring a motor that we're missing so it's something.

I agreed with him he'd come next week (date to be confirmed) and 'get everything working' so that when we move all the machines above ground:

He cannot say they were broken by other people and absolve himself of responsibility
Francisco cannot say they weren't working before and absolve himself of responsibility too

Once I have a date from him, I'll speak to Francisco.