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🍕 A repo for keeping track of learning how to make pizza from first principals. 😋
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Pizza Oven 🍕 #1

Open nelsonic opened 11 months ago

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

As noted in https://github.com/dwyl/home/issues/77 the idea has always been to have a Dedicated Pizza Oven. 🍕

We've made quite a few pizzas in our regular oven at 250°C with the Pizza Stone. The results have been decent. But nothing like a true Napoletana pizza ... 💭

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We deliberately cook them "toasted" in the regular oven to ensure that the base is not under cooked. Because when we didn't cook them "well done" they ended up being "soggy" in the middle. 🤦

Note: to self I need to make more effort to take more photos of the results of pizza I make ... 📷 We've made the basic recipe for guests on a couple of occasions and they have complimented ... 👌 But I know people are just being polite, the regular oven pizzas are "OK" at best ... 😒 Nothing compared to the local Pizzeria in Braga Pizza D'artista
image The minimum heat required to make a "fluffy" crust and "leoparding" both top and bottom is 450°C. 🥵

If money was no object, I would still get the Gozney Dome and be done with it because I think it's slick! But the price has gone up to €1,799 which I feel is unjustifiably expensive and the results are virtually identical with the far cheaper Ooni.

So ... I've been waiting patiently for the Black Friday sale ... ⏳ https://eu.ooni.com/collections/black-friday-ovens

I'm undecided between the Pellets version:

https://eu.ooni.com/collections/black-friday/products/ooni-fyra-12-essentials-bundle

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And the "multi-fuel" one which allows wood & coal:

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The reason I'm tempted by the Pellets is that it's a consistent fuel source with a "hopper". The reason I'm not keen on Pellets is that they cost more money to operate and I'm not certain that the Pellets we can buy are 100% wood (no bonding agent) ...

Equally when buying fire wood, I don't know if we can be certain that it's not treated with chemicals to prevent rot/bugs ... 💭 But at least we know that we aren't stuck with a single fuel source.

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

Sadly, the recently launched Ooni Karu 12G with glass door and side thermometer is not on the Black Friday discount ... 😢

https://youtu.be/kkpPK3gsqko

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

OONI KARU 16 vs KARU 12G - Pizza Oven Comparison: https://youtu.be/Y_J-KCN11rI

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nelsonic commented 11 months ago

While I'm super tempted by the Karu 16 because it's bigger which means we can cook larger pizzas ... The fuel (wood) efficiency is also a big factor in terms of marginal cost in every day use:

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Double the fuel to cook the same number of pizzas is absurd! 🤷‍♂️

This is my shopping cart:

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Quite the number of accessories ... 💭 💰

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

That figure for the Fuel Consumption - 2.2kg vs 1.1kg of wood for 10 pizzas - is directly from Ooni: https://eu.ooni.com/pages/oven-comparison

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This Reddit thread is good: https://www.reddit.com/r/ooni/comments/14sfopr/karu_12g_vs_karu_16_is_the_price_difference_worth/

This is the shopping cart total with the Ooni Karu 16:

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I feel like this is an eye-watering amount of cash to burn - literally - on a pizza oven.

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

Just had another quick glance at the Gozney Dome and they only deliver to Germany: https://eu.gozney.com/products/dome?variant=39834955088004

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So it's a no-go even if I wanted to burn €1800 on a pizza oven ... 😬 💸 🔥 Yes, I could ask someone I know in DE to receive and the forward it to me but that would add at least another €100 and probably more like €200 for shipping to PT 🙃

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

Quick rundown of the Economics of Restaurant vs. Homemade Pizza:

Our local pizzeria is incredible. It's consistently rated in the top pizza in our city: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g189171-d23328927-Reviews-Pizza_D_artista_Braga-Braga_Braga_District_Northern_Portugal.html

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When they first opened they charged €7.20 for the 3-ingredient Capricciosa Pizza (ham, mushrooms & olives) that I order. They don't have a website of their own - they don't need one - and if you try to order over the phone they only start making the pizza once you pay for it; zero chance of non-collection waste. Anyway I digress ... 2 years later they charge €9.50 for the same pizza ... and that's if you collect it yourself, which since you cannot call ahead and just show up to collect, you always have to wait 10 mins at the door once you've paid ... ⏳

via Uber Eats, it's €11.70 for the same pizza for the convenience of not leaving the house ... https://www.ubereats.com/pt-en/store/pizza-dartista-braga/QfquG3W3RrOHeST4A2-hgw/31e58069-de84-5329-9403-d6940cf62a9f

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If we order 3 pizzas from them one for each adult in our family and one for the 2 children to share, it's a minimum of €25 for the meal.

I've made enough pizzas in our oven at home to know exactly how much it costs us:

Note: These ingredients are enough to make FOUR 12" Pizzas!!

Base:

Sauce:

Toppings:

Total: €9.09

So the ingredient cost for making FOUR pizzas is less than the cost of one.

If we were to add the cost of 1-2kg of wood - the marginal cost of using a wood-fired oven at home - to this, baring in mind that we can buy 10kg of premium oak wood for €4.80 it's another €0.96 for the wood.

So all-in we're spending less than €10 to make FOUR 12" Pizzas at home. And if they were the real-deal Napoletana Pizzas this would be a bargain!

Now throw-in having guests (e.g. another family of 4) or the in-laws over and the cost of ordering or going to the restaurant sky-rocket! 🚀

If we amortise the cost of the pizza oven at €10 per use it requires 60 uses to pay for itself ... ⏳ If we make pizza once a week - which we currently do ... - it's just over a year to pay it off.

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

Buying the "Traditional" ("00") flour is a bit more expensive: https://www.amazon.es/-/pt/dp/B07QCGS8JH

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Thinking of ordering it to do a comparison. 💭 But oven first. 😉

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

While searching for "00" flour, this was a related item: 💭 https://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar-Your-Killers-dp-0316485136/dp/0316485136

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I remember a friend of mine reading this book and recommending it a while back ... 💭

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

https://youtu.be/SXKd5-Nr108

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iteles commented 11 months ago

Oof! Does this mean we're not getting a pizza oven so as not to encourage the over- and regular consumption of carbs to help stave off brain disease? I'm happy with that 😅

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

Inês, I'm the one who managed to stay off carbs for 6 months. 💪 Are you going to avoid them? 💭

iteles commented 11 months ago

I'm never going to avoid carbs. I have always said that I wouldn't be able to stick to a keto diet, I would just be so sad. But having a pizza oven makes it harder!

I was just reacting to the video.

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

The thing about owning a Pizza Oven is that we can make other wood-fire baked/cooked things and both learn and teach our kids. We may eat marginally more pizza. But at least it will be organic flour and all high quality ingredients for cheaper than store/restaurant-bought ones. And for entertaining / family events it simply cannot be beat. 😉

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

BTW: ordered an Ooni Karu 16 on BlackFriday. 💸 Yes, it uses more wood (fuel) but it means we can make bigger "sharing" pizzas for family. 🍕 No indication of when it will arrive. ⏳ But I'm pretty excited to learn how to make wood/coal-fire pizza ... 😋

Also unsubscribed from the exceptionally noisy Ooni newsletter. ✉️ 🙉 These ovens hold their value pretty well if we decide we don't like it and want to sell. 👍

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

As for the Brain Disease, it's something to be aware of and avoid ultra-processed carbs. 🙅 I think we will do a lot better to avoid processed sugar 🍭
and just have pizza occasionally as a treat.

nelsonic commented 11 months ago

P.S: Very aware that there are much cheaper Pizza Ovens that could (theoretically) achieve a similar result: https://www.amazon.es/dp/B08B8XPBHQ?th=1

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even has a few decent reviews. 😮

Just like there are always cheaper Laptops, Phones, Food, Cars, Houses, Clothes, Shoes, etc. There's a reason I'm typing this on a MacBook and not an AliExpress Laptop; quality, features & experience. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004761989514.html

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Nothing "wrong" with a "LeoBook" laptop. In fact it's awesome that it's possible to make an 8GB RAM + 1TB SSD Laptop at the €145 price point!! 🤯 I wish this had existed when I started out and had to work + save for 6 months to afford my first Acer Laptop back in the day ... ⏳ Point is this: people who can afford "nice things" will buy nice things.

The Ooni is far from the "Bentley" of Pizza Ovens; more like a BMW ... 💭 Definitely more than I/we needed to spend, but good price:quality ratio. 👌

nelsonic commented 10 months ago

Guess what arrived today!! 🍕🙌

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going to resist the temptation to open it until the end of the week. 🤞🏼⌛️😬