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Which Computer for Video Editing? #55

Closed nelsonic closed 3 years ago

nelsonic commented 5 years ago

Editing video requires a decent machine, I find that even editing 1080p on my current mac requires rendering time and exporting videos takes hours. I feel that a high-spec machine is worthwhile investment to save time and reduce frustration.

My first instinct is to buy a 2018 Mac Mini because it's compact and RAM-upgradeable.

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini/3.0ghz-6-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.1ghz-256gb# image

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/mac-mini/3.0ghz-6-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.1ghz-256gb £1,429 which is *$1,817.25 USD 😕 image

While it is certainly possible to upgrade the RAM, it's also expensive given that it only has two slots: image see: https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/11/08/how-to-upgrade-the-ram-on-the-new-2018-mac-mini

My biggest gripe with the Mac Mini besides the price is the integrated graphics chip: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-UHD-Graphics-630-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.257928.0.html Which for Davinci Resolve is a non-starter (Resolve uses the GPU for rendering).

image https://youtu.be/qzSYLdVjFqA

The GPU shares system memory (RAM), so if you are running a demanding app like Reason, Logic, FCP or Resolve and have a few videos in your timeline, RAM will rapidly be exhausted!

By contrast buying an older Mac "Pro" might be a better option for video editing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mac-Pro-5-1-2012-3-46GHz-12-Core-128GB-RAM-GTX-980-250GB-SSD-USB3/162931000593 image It comes with 128GB RAM and a GTX 980 4GB Graphics Card! image

a Third option is to build a "Hackintosh" https://github.com/nelsonic/nelsonic.github.io/issues/510 But given that Davinci Resolve can run on Linux ... (a Mac may no longer be necessary!!) image https://youtu.be/CuEPD0i9gmk

http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting image

If you plan to edit with Resolve, you absolutely need a powerful graphics card, as that software is powered primarily by GPU instead of CPU. image

image https://youtu.be/7-s04b5zel8

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nelsonic commented 5 years ago

@edwardcodes once you have learned a bit of Davinci Resolve #53 and felt the "bottleneck" of having an "older" (slower) PC for video editing, please consider dedicating a few hours to researching custom-building PCs from components so that we have 4K capable video editing stations. (note: we aren't going to switch to 4K because it's a waste of disk space! but there will be certain situations where we will want to have 4K for videos I'm planning, and having powerful video editing computer(s) is a good idea to not waste time waiting for renders)

Come back to this in the "break" between Christmas and New year. 😉

nelsonic commented 5 years ago

I briefly considered a 2017 iMac:

But after watching this comparison I feel that the Mac Pro is better value for money and faster ... image https://youtu.be/LmOVfR_0OcY

This one has an insanely powerful graphics card: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Mac-Pro-5-1-2012-3-46GHz-12-Core-128GB-RAM-Titan-Xp-12GB-1TB-SSD/152713349912 image

This GPU is probably massively overkill ... but this is how much it costs alone: https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-TITAN-Graphics-Card-900-1G611-2530-000/dp/B0757DSD6D image

For comparison, a PC with a similar amount of RAM, CPU and GPU costs almost $5.5k: https://silentpc.com/elite-pcs/photo-video-editing-pc image image

I've watched a few videos on Video Editing on Linux and the codec/transcoding/drivers issues seem to be more hassle than it's worth to use an Open Source OS ... image https://youtu.be/hksW66jw1jA

So I'm increasingly thinking that a Mac Pro is the way to go ... 🤔

ghost commented 5 years ago

@nelsonic agreed 👍

nelsonic commented 5 years ago

Predictably, I've done a ton more research into this ... a more affordable way of having the best graphics card on any (recent) Mac: External GPU!

This is a good article on the "usefulness" of eGPUs with Mac OS: https://hackernoon.com/egpu-with-macos-how-useful-is-one-really-68f7651cba24 The eGPU described by Alex Wulff's article is the GIGABYTE Gaming Box Radeon RX 580 8GB

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Gaming-Graphic-Card-GV-RX580IXEB-8GD/dp/B07CCK527Y/ image

Note I also read: https://www.gamingscan.com/best-external-graphics-card But most external graphics cards use insane amounts of Power! 450W! i.e. 8c/hour. €1/day

This Mac Support article: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208897 has a good summary: image

Thunderbolt 3 is a version of USB-C https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208368 image Only available on MacBook Pro 2016< and iMac 2017<

Way more detail on Thunderbolt 3: https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all image

Annoyingly "Not all USB-C ports are the same" ... 🙄 image https://youtu.be/xLs_0wHcv4A

Blackmagic eGPU 3 month Review - Video Editors BEWARE! image https://youtu.be/pDKUn05ZAnI Max tested the eGPU with 3 different MacBook Pro Configurations: image And with 3 different video editing programs: Premier Pro, Final Cut and Resolve. image "The fastest laptop actually got slower with the eGPU" ... baring in mind that was the $3,500 i9 beast!!

Pros:

Cons:

Search eBay for "blackmagic egpu" https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=blackmagic+egpu example: image

Alternative proposed by Max: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1338299-REG/sonnet_gpu_350w_tb3z_egfx_breakaway_box_350.html image

This "research" is taking up way too much of my mind-time ... ⏳ 🙄 (#OneTrackMind ...)

Decision

So I've made the call and ordered the best (value for money) MacBook Pro for video editing. I ordered a 2017 MacBook Pro 15" with Touch Bar and 16GB RAM: image

image This is the best value-for-money portable video editing machine. It is far more portable than a comparable Mac Pro and since the CPU architecture is far more recent the main "bottleneck" is avoided.

This Laptop will be loaned to whoever is doing the video editing for @dwyl videos For the foreseeable future that person will be @edwardcodes (who already has a MacBook Pro but has seen "frame dropping" while editing in Resolve 15 ...) Edu will track his experience while rendering and exporting 1080p video. If the editing experience is "sluggish" we can consider an external GPU (see above).

Also, given that this laptop still costs £1,869 direct from Apple: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/FPTR2B/A/Refurbished-154-inch-MacBook-Pro-28GHz-Quad-core-Intel-Core-i7-with-Retina-display-Space-Gray image image

I feel that there is zero risk in this purchase. If Edu (or whoever is doing our full-time video editing) "out-grows" this machine, we can easily sell it on without losing much money. The fact is that this machine will be many times better than Edu's MBP 13" 2012 for video. His machine is "fine" for writing code, but it "chokes" badly on rendering in Resolve. I'm confident that he will have a superior experience with the MBP 15" 2017.

Done.

NOTE: @edwardcodes I'm still tempted by a Mac Pro (desktop) for myself. But I'm going to resist the temptation to spend more money until the MacBook Pro 15 arrives and we test it together. If the rendering time is "OK" and you're happy to do most of the editing for the dwyl/braga videos, then we can "get by" with only the Laptop. 👍

nelsonic commented 5 years ago

Original Listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113429285070 image

Not too much description:

Pristine condition Comes with charger and non Apple postage box

But that's all I really need to know.

nelsonic commented 5 years ago

Recommend watching this: image https://youtu.be/6ix2Xg2I0Jo

Conclusion: yes you can spend less cash on building your own PC, but the "full package" of a Mac has a "synergy".

When we "outgrow" the MacBook Pro 15, we will re-visit this issue. I think we're going to be "OK" for 1080p video editing for the next few months. 👍

nelsonic commented 3 years ago

Next: #86 💭