ebuhle / LCRchumIPM

This is the development site for an Integrated Population Model for chum salmon in the lower Columbia River.
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Pairwise distances #12

Closed kalebentley closed 1 year ago

kalebentley commented 3 years ago

Hey everyone,

I was able to work with Steve VanderPleough to generate a matrix of pairwise distances among "populations" (i.e., river locations/spawning areas) of Columbia River chum salmon. I've added the .csv file to our data folder.

I am more than happy to discuss how these distances were calculated in more detail but to get us started here are a few highlights:

Overall, I don't imagine these small details are super important but wanted to make you all aware. Regardless, I am viewing these calculations as "iteration 1" and they can obviously be updated at some point in the future.

Kale

ebuhle commented 3 years ago

Thanks @kalebentley (and Steve), this looks great!

We could incorporate distance from the mouth of the Columbia as a predictor of SAR using the salmonIPM model as-is; it will be interesting to see whether that makes the spatial random effects distributions better-behaved or has any substantive effect on the spawner-recruit parameters.

Building out the dispersal / straying model is obviously more of a project, but as a quick and dirty first step I could plot the dispersal kernel, i.e. the distribution of known-origin adults as a function of distance from source hatchery / project. IIRC, there are relatively high proportions of Duncan Channel fish in St. Cloud, Multnomah, Horsetail and Ives, so hopefully the uncertainty in those respective pairwise distances won't obscure any underlying relationship.

Hillsont commented 3 years ago

@ebuhle, I took a couple of weeks off and just now catching up on older e-mails. Not sure if I agree that "high proportions of Duncan origin adults recovered at Ives, Horsetail, Multnomah, and St Cloud". I only have summarized data through the 2018 return but I don't think it's changed. image

ebuhle commented 3 years ago

@Hillsont, I was thinking of the proportions from the source point of view not the destination, and in terms of fish returning to a given location regardless of their ultimate disposition -- i.e., the metric that relates directly to estimating straying. That said, it's true that "relatively high" is, well, relative. Here are the raw counts over all years by origin (colums) and location (rows). The sparseness and small numbers in general definitely raise questions about how well we will be able to identify these dispersal rates, let alone extrapolate them to unknown source populations, but we're going to find out in the coming months!

                 Big Creek Hatchery Duncan Channel Duncan Hatchery Grays Hatchery Lewis Hatchery Natural spawner
Duncan Creek                     NA            123               0             NA              0             623
Grays CJ                          8             NA              NA            195             NA            3400
Grays MS                         14             NA              NA           1019             NA            6510
Grays WF                          8             NA              NA            286             NA            4092
Hamilton Channel                 NA             43              14             NA              0            2313
Hamilton Creek                   NA             21              14             NA              1            1886
Hardy Creek                      NA             42               1             NA              0            1102
Horsetail                        NA              6               0             NA              0             445
I-205                            NA             13               7             NA              2            3359
Ives                             NA             57              29             NA              3            2951
Multnomah                        NA             12               4             NA              0            1354
St Cloud                         NA              5               0             NA              0             418
Hillsont commented 3 years ago

Thanks @ebuhle, it makes a lot more sense knowing you're referencing source not destination. I don't know if it's feasible, possible, or reasonable when building out the dispersal / straying model but I would suggest grouping all of the Grays together (we have little information on site fidelity and in some years environmental conditions (low or high flow conditions) play a big part in spawning distribution), group Ives, Hamilton Creek, Hamilton Springs, and Hardy (live tagging recoveries and radio tracking studies show a bunch of mixing / exchange of adults, especially males), and group Horsetail, Multnomah, and St Cloud (live tag recoveries show mixing / exchange of adults). There's the additional quirk that since we installed fingers in the v-weir at Hamilton Springs (in 2016 I believe), once an adult enters the channel they can't easily leave.

ebuhle commented 3 years ago

Thanks for those details, @Hillsont. In thinking about a dispersal kernel / straying matrix, there isn't really a natural way to re-aggregate populations -- typically in such a model, the source and sink "units" are fixed and are identical for the local dynamics and dispersal components. It might be possible to assume the straying rates to the populations within each of the groupings you mentioned are identical, e.g. by assigning them all the centroid of their respective locations and averaging the pairwise distances. I don't know if that would really make much difference since the groupings are relatively geographically clustered anyway, and it wouldn't necessarily buy us any extra degrees of freedom assuming we parameterize the dispersal matrix with an exponential kernel or something similar.