Open matbmoser opened 1 month ago
@lgblaumeiser now that I am not inside yet of the Architecture Committee can you let them aware that there is this problem, I have found it yesterday in a meeting with @stanfaldin and the VDA.
I want to take this topic and discuss with them together once I join Catena-X.
I would like to create a "sig-architecture" so we can centralize and publish this topics. @stephanbcbauer what do you think about that?
Maybe place the dpp in Cofinity-X? And all then Cofinity-X would enable a public interface, retrieving data from the edcs from companies.
Maybe we could add a new operator company type, which are certified or allowed to provide public data from Catena-X.
Maybe like this:
I have added a new diagram to explain what is my first solution proposal...
-> Notes:
The new Volvo has it already https://youtu.be/_-eDg3dO7Yo?si=nhni1KIMBkoaCQxA&t=663 and you are able to access with your phone. That's a B2C connection that can be done for other manufacturers with Catena-X. The technical "stardards" or ground for this connection also needs to be defined, so other economic operators can also reuse this.
Great job Volvo and Circulor!
Some hints from Release Management (@ther3sa) and Tractus-X Project Lead (@stephanbcbauer)
The idea here is also that the QR Codes that are in thar Car can remain the same, but the way how you access and ammount of data you get will vary on the "access type" if public it will be limited and if private and using Catena-X it would retrieve the ammount of data you can see.
Thank you for the detailed description!
Some hints and thoughts from my side:
I want to propose and analyze the impact of enabling a tech solution for B2C interaction while still maintaining the Data Sovereighty, increasing the interoperability with other non-edc dataspaces.
I would always change the wording from "EDC" to "Dataspace Protocol" (DSP). The EDC is just one possible reference implementation based on the protocol. Since nearly all dataspaces are under the umbrella of the International Data Spaces Association (IDSA), we should have an eye on those other data spaces. A good overview is the Dataspace Radar. Historically, the Connector and the Protocol also started at the IDSA and are pushing to bring all dataspaces to the DSP.
Increasing also the interoperability with multiple networks which do not use the EDC connector.
Do you know another non-Catena-X company or dataspace that is interested in this? We should collaborate with them to prevent building a solution that doesn't fit the market.
- Acceptance of data usage conditions would be like the "cookies" acceptance banners we have today in most websites. The conditions shall mirror the regulations.
If we talk about publicly available data that everyone can view and use, we do not need specific usage conditions. Therefore, we don't need those acceptance banners.
- I want that manufacturers can provide this solution to their clients in a harmonized way, so that users can scan the qr code and with the browser retrieve the data from the manufacturer, or other manufacturers.
There is another standard for this called EPCIS from GS1 (these are the guys that generate the barcodes on all consumer products). This standard is made for traceability so that customers can get information about their products. In this area, the food industry is way ahead of us (if you buy a fish in the supermarket, you can trace it back to the angler and the ocean). Maybe we can get some inspiration from them.
Thank you for the detailed description!
Some hints and thoughts from my side:
I want to propose and analyze the impact of enabling a tech solution for B2C interaction while still maintaining the Data Sovereighty, increasing the interoperability with other non-edc dataspaces.
I would always change the wording from "EDC" to "Dataspace Protocol" (DSP). The EDC is just one possible reference implementation based on the protocol. Since nearly all dataspaces are under the umbrella of the International Data Spaces Association (IDSA), we should have an eye on those other data spaces. A good overview is the Dataspace Radar. Historically, the Connector and the Protocol also started at the IDSA and are pushing to bring all dataspaces to the DSP.
Increasing also the interoperability with multiple networks which do not use the EDC connector.
Do you know another non-Catena-X company or dataspace that is interested in this? We should collaborate with them to prevent building a solution that doesn't fit the market.
- Acceptance of data usage conditions would be like the "cookies" acceptance banners we have today in most websites. The conditions shall mirror the regulations.
If we talk about publicly available data that everyone can view and use, we do not need specific usage conditions. Therefore, we don't need those acceptance banners.
- I want that manufacturers can provide this solution to their clients in a harmonized way, so that users can scan the qr code and with the browser retrieve the data from the manufacturer, or other manufacturers.
There is another standard for this called EPCIS from GS1 (these are the guys that generate the barcodes on all consumer products). This standard is made for traceability so that customers can get information about their products. In this area, the food industry is way ahead of us (if you buy a fish in the supermarket, you can trace it back to the angler and the ocean). Maybe we can get some inspiration from them.
Thank you @mhellmeier for your feedback.
I would always change the wording from "EDC" to "Dataspace Protocol" (DSP). The EDC is just one possible reference implementation based on the protocol. Since nearly all dataspaces are under the umbrella of the International Data Spaces Association (IDSA), we should have an eye on those other data spaces. A good overview is the Dataspace Radar. Historically, the Connector and the Protocol also started at the IDSA and are pushing to bring all dataspaces to the DSP.
Forgive my unprecision with the "terms", please not understand me wrong when I say "change" the edc, is just one of the possible solutions we could propose, to improve the public data access using the edc, and not changing the protocol, it would be something additional or like an extension. Lets talk more about it in person, when we will try to find a way forward.
Increasing also the interoperability with multiple networks which do not use the EDC connector.
Do you know another non-Catena-X company or dataspace that is interested in this? We should collaborate with them to prevent building a solution that doesn't fit the market.
-> Factory-X said they need this feature + CX-NEXT also... And this is "MANDATORY" by the regulations, and if we want to comply by design we should give at least an answer.. ->Battery Pass EU Consortium (which is already in colaboration with us somehow) -> ID Union was interested once in this technology and data access (still need to confirm)
There is another standard for this called EPCIS from GS1 (these are the guys that generate the barcodes on all consumer products). This standard is made for traceability so that customers can get information about their products. In this area, the food industry is way ahead of us (if you buy a fish in the supermarket, you can trace it back to the angler and the ocean). Maybe we can get some inspiration from them.
Good idea, my point is that the "id" should always remain the same and the "access" for it shall be defining the amount of data you should get. -> Thx for the hint, but note that the GS1 is a proprietary solutions and we from the DPP group have decided not to use it, because we have not the rights. But lets talk about it.
- Acceptance of data usage conditions would be like the "cookies" acceptance banners we have today in most websites. The conditions shall mirror the regulations. If we talk about publicly available data that everyone can view and use, we do not need specific usage conditions. Therefore, we don't need those acceptance banners.
Because a data is "public" accesible and viewable, does not mean that you need to loose the data sovereignty over it. Just because is public and you can see it as a consumer does not means that is yours. -> And here I want to bring the value of Catena-X Certified data.
@mhellmeier lets discuss this further together with the Architecture Committee ;)
Overview
As we got to know by the VDA Verband der Automobilindustrie e. V. one of the requirements from the regulations is that a part of the "Battery Passports", "Digital Product Passports" and other products like the PCF Aspect' data MUST be accessed not in B2B by any public consumer in a B2C exchange. It was noted during a meeting with the Digital Product Pass Expert group and the sustainability domain that Catena-X has currenltly no plan or solution to tackle that.
I have something in mind already, but I would like to propose it formally and discuss it with the architecture committee first
Context
We need to start discussing this topic and decide how we can address this issue that affects DPP Expert Group, SSI, Data Sov, PCF. This is published in the regulations and if we want companies that join and use Catena-X "comply by design" (one of our golden rules) we need to address and give an answer to this topic.
Motivation
Objectives
One possible solution
Explain the topic in 2 sentences
There MUST be a solution that allows end users to view data from OEMs. Currently, Catena-X supports only, B2B and not B2C because the EDC requires companies to be onboarded in Catena-X.
I want to propose and analyze the impact of enabling a tech solution for B2C interaction while still maintaining the Data Sovereighty, increasing the interoperability with other non-edc dataspaces.
What's the benefit?
Enables any users to use Catena-X Standards and Values (Data Sov, Decentrality, Interoperability, Secure) to retrieve data from B2C. Increasing also the interoperability with multiple networks which do not use the EDC connector.
What are the Risks/Dependencies ?
Detailed explanation
I have drafted a proposal on how can Catena-X maintain their data sovereighty concept, and still be able to handover data throught the EDC to other non-edc dataspaces. Also providing a "public interface" for Customers to retrieve a limited set of data which lies behind the EDC in a Data Source.
This is mandated by regulation, so many organizations are implementing central solutions to enable this kind of behavior. So the idea here is to decentralize the public data provision and enable data sovereignty concepts using SSI.
In this way that the "complete" set of data would be shared via the "EDC" and the regulatory public data using another interface which needs to be proposed and discussed in this feature.
Current implementation
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Feature Team
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@MariusPohl
@hillgach
@stanfaldin
Per Hendrik
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Acceptance Criteria
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None
Expected Result
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Architectural Relevance
It will enable Catena-X to do B2C data exchanges, maintaining data sovereignty and increasing interoperability.
The following items are ensured (answer: yes) after this issue is implemented:
Justification: This feature will be proposed in the Architecture Management committee
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