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Hi, For the Lessons learned from real-world microservice adoption section, I have gone through all the comments. Thank you for the constructive feedback, it has improved the section. I have resolved all the comments, except two, which need further discussion. If you have additional suggestions how to improve the section, please let me know. The only thing I can think of would be to add a CIO statement from one of the companies we are working with, if this would make sense? Thanks, Matjaz
Thank you for moving the private thread to this issue @MBJuric! Super fun to follow process OSS-- I have added 2nd review round to my calendar for this week. 💯 on it! :)
Quickly added to the document comments for Lars about our internal exchange to adjust your name as part of the Contributor's section (at the end of the document instead of the section- Markus from Lightbend, also is part of the individual section, like you) The goal is to make sure all contributors are listed in the same place to avoid distractions from content.
@rsjames we have moved the white paper conversations to git as part of alignment of all past and current Branding projects of 2019.
We are coming to the end of the writing of the write paper so this pulls you in to provide feedback first. :)
Should your time be allocated to this project, you are NOT yet:
branding/design we will need to work on what the design will need, for that should you take the design project= an issue will need to be created to enable follow up... stand by--
addition to MP site under resources and main page
etc
@rsjames please check above message for you. Thanks
If we all feel the white paper has been looked over enough. We can move it to design. The document is 18 pages now. I am estimating when formatted the pages could be 30-40 pages.
From a design point of view a white paper has not been done before so creating a styling will take sometime. Estimated design time 5-7 +- After the initial design is done. Time should be given for comments. Depending on how many comments and adjustments their are will add time to the delivery.
@mblevins65 this document is +18 pages and it is the first technical paper of the project.
Can you prioritize its edit/grammar review this week. We hope to start its design next week. Thanks!
OK, version .4 invites the design face to come into effect. Draft v.04
Peggy will complete the copy/edit of document before design starts.
I went into the doc through the link you sent and made suggestions. I didn't know I had to repeat them here. I made several suggestions via google doc. Check document pages.
Repeat them here? @mblevins65
Updates of work completed go here via comments Peggy. If you skip this step, Those who are active collaborators in the document are notified of progress & can check the changes done.
Your msg above works perfect.
page 1 This is among others mainly because of there is lack of a centralized runtime in the design of any distributed system. This sentence is confusing. Possibly replace the words there is with an a.
page 5 Therefore, we have to build up our microservices architecture to be resilient and fault tolerant by design. I placed a comma after therefore.
page 11 For the clients and providers of these services to connect, there needs to be a clear and complete contract. I placed a comma after connect to clarify the sentence.
page 16 In January 2017, MicroProfile become an official Eclipse project. Change become to became.
page 17 and Payara demoed a unified web application with underlying microservices Replace the word demoed with demonstrated
page 18 After having reached an adequate degree of maturity, the initiator of the sandbox project can ask for a MicroProfile repository and in this way start the MicroProfile feature init process. I placed a comma after the word maturity to clarify sentence.
I am sincerely impressed with how well written this project is. Congratulations. I am finished with editing.
@aeiras would you like to give the green light to move this forward?
@rstjames:
lets collaborate via new issues for 100% of all the tasks that will take to complete the final step of the project.
If you have a question, create an issue and add me to it and move on :)
If you think creating an word skeleton on designs by section is optimal (my recommendation as first step) YET, would like for you to bring brainstorming to lead the design as you see fit, first.
Dedicated time: April 23rd to April 30 — 6 work days
Lets have fun,
I am sincerely impressed with how well written this project is. Congratulations. I am finished with editing.
Thank you @mblevins65!
Hello everyone, Attached you will find the first version of the MP white paper PDF.
Design is still rough.
Content We are right now missing images referenced in the document. When I have these items I will re-draw them in the MP style and add them to the document. But sense I do not know how all these images will look and the space they might take on a page the layouts will most likely will change a lot.
Lets try this link for comments: I have never used it before but let's give it a shot. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A831a8d0c-6462-46af-9e55-b3d20e333759
@rstjames the latest feedback has been added directly to the adobe document. Note that the word document has 2 sections added that were missing, Contributors data and about author that must be added at the end of the document. :)
@mobileLarson I added you via comments to the word version :)
Hi Amelia,
I worked on the document today:
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I forgot to mention the next steps:
BTW: I posted my git id as a reply to the corresponding comment of Amelia at the beginning of the document.
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Hi Amelia,
I worked on the document today:
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@mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson I added you via comments to the word version :)
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Lars, @mobileLarson you are amazing!
Thanks for the prompt follow up to enable further design work.
@rstjames this is what I mentioned this AM as it needs our attention to make sure that everything is integrated without a miss as we incorporate the latest feedback on the design. Questions, shoot and thanks!
Hi,
Hi all,
Today I double-checked the MP Technical White Paper in respect to the changes of the new MicroProfile Version 3.0. To make 100% sure that Ryan will not miss any of my changes, I commented every change and added +rstjames@tomitribe.commailto:rstjames@tomitribe.com to these comments.
Last open issue for me (from my perspective)
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Lars, @mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson you are amazing!
Thanks for the prompt follow up to enable further design work.
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@mobileLarson I just got done replying to your comments and fixing stuff per your review Lars! :)
Your bio and pic rock, as usual, your simplicity is your signature, love it!
@rstjames is off today. He is back next week with full focus to apply latest adjustments to the document so that we can finalized the design.
As it stands, the paper will be formally publish in July. It is pretty FANTASTIC to bring closure to this project dear friend!
Thanks for updateing MP. 3.0 across. 👍
@rstjames should there be any questions that might be easier to tackle via a quick call, please pull us via this channel. Ideally, we will have a call btw the 3 of us before we present the close to final version on the next Community call June 25th. Thanks!
@aeiras @mobileLarson Hi everyone, Here is the latest version of the whitepaper.
@rstjames since you are not explicit about what have not been added to newest version, I repeated a few core must features missing from latest version. If those core featutures are not available for tmw's Community hangout, we will push "show & tell" until they are in the document. Let me know if you need further clarification to implement any of them. Many are directly on the first PDF version and also in the word document that pulls you via Comments. Cheers.
Hi all,
So, from my perspective all open tasks are done at the moment of writing this email. If you see any further open issue for me, don’t hesitate for contact me. @rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames same, if you need any explanation related to the images.
I am really looking forward for the MP Technical White Paper launch!
Lars
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@mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson I just got done replying to your comments and fixing stuff per your review Lars! :)
Your bio and pic rock, as usual, your simplicity is your signature, love it!
@rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames is off today. He is back next week with full focus to apply latest adjustments to the document so that we can finalized the design.
As it stands, the paper will be formally publish in July. It is pretty FANTASTIC to bring closure to this project dear friend!
Thanks for updateing MP. 3.0 across. 👍
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Hey dear friend,
1) yes- the drive link is under design [folder ] (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cfvYUdVLUwMDIF6rTUSV4pLJ2jo5MXkL) Please drop the stuff there & @rstjames will grab them :)
2) Major re-work will be done on the design to include the feedback sent, currently we are using PDF draft for that collaboration. You are most welcomed to check it out!
ETA release-- I expect white paper to be ready no later than the end of this month.
You have been awesome Lars, glad we are at the end of the ardous work that have been invested on this project. Super super adore you! Hug you soon. FYI- next tuesday is the MP Community hangout, if not traveling, do join & help own the document status with your own words. :)
I just uploaded. Unfortunately I can not join the telco today because I will sit in an airplane travelling back home (from a customer). Lars
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Hey dear friend,
ETA release-- I expect white paper to be ready no later than the end of this month. You have been awesome Lars, glad we are at the end of the ardous work that have been invested on this project. Super super adore you! Hug you soon. FYI- next tuesday is the MP Community hangout, if not traveling, do join & help own the document status with your own words. :)
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Here is the latest update on the White paper. Some design details are still needing work but all comments/adjustment that were made in the doc should be up to date.
Please place comment here: https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A135c6562-b111-4791-9839-9908021e19e1
@aeiras @mobileLarson
@mobileLarson,
@rstjames and I just went through the latest version of the document, final touches. ETA launch July 24th. :) Ryan will follow up via this thread on his update to you about the awesome designs you provided.
Great news. I will be on vacation for the next three weeks but I will check my email every evening.
Looking forward for the final version.
Lars
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Am 10.07.2019 um 20:22 schrieb Amelia Eiras notifications@github.com<mailto:notifications@github.com>:
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@aeiras @mobileLarson New version on the WP. Just some little tweaks. Everyone please comment on the pdf. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A434cdb00-ccc5-441a-a200-ab202e1362d0
I will take a look at it later this day. In addition I will provide the image of me - for the bio - via Google Drive.
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@aeirashttps://github.com/aeiras @mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson New version on the WP. Just some little tweaks. Everyone please comment on the pdf. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A434cdb00-ccc5-441a-a200-ab202e1362d0
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This link is not working for me. Is there another way to look at the document? Thanks, Matjaz
@rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames I uploaded two versions (small and big) of my bio images to the google drive.
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@aeirashttps://github.com/aeiras @mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson New version on the WP. Just some little tweaks. Everyone please comment on the pdf. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A434cdb00-ccc5-441a-a200-ab202e1362d0
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@aeirashttps://github.com/aeiras @rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames I added round about 40 comments to the pdf, most of them only related to very small issues (e.g. typos).
One question about the images I draw and the therefore used icons. I own a personal license for these icons but I am not 100% sure if I am allowed to publish them. I took all the icons from flaticon.com where I own a PREMIUM account (see licence at https://www.flaticon.com/profile/preagreement/getstarted/)
The license says “Forget about having to attribute an illustration with a Premium Subscription. Use any illustration either for commercial or personal use without crediting the author.“, so IMO it should be possible to use the icons. If you don’t think so or if you see any risk it would be the best, if you could provide me with an icon library or single icons that you own publish rights for or that is free of any license.
I would need icons for (see also icons inside my images for a better understanding)
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Von: "Ryan St. James" notifications@github.com Antworten an: eclipse/microprofile-marketing reply@reply.github.com Datum: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2019 um 07:18 An: eclipse/microprofile-marketing microprofile-marketing@noreply.github.com Cc: Lars Roewekamp lars.roewekamp@openknowledge.de, Mention mention@noreply.github.com Betreff: Re: [eclipse/microprofile-marketing] Technical White Paper by Lars (#3)
@aeirashttps://github.com/aeiras @mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson New version on the WP. Just some little tweaks. Everyone please comment on the pdf. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A434cdb00-ccc5-441a-a200-ab202e1362d0
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That is pretty great @mobileLarson! Ryan is in vacation until late next week. Upon his return, he will tackle all the feedback you have provided directly on the latest version. We were concerned a few things from using word document and PDF were lost. My job is to go through it this wknd as you have done and find errors too. About the designs, we will figure it out next week with Ryan and follow up with you. The imagines are fantastic so Ryan and I chose not to even touch them. If we have to, we will do so. :) Ryan is better equipped to handle that side once he gets back.
@MBJuric are you using this link Please confirm b/c document has public access and anyone can help with feedback. Thanks for the follow up Matt!
@myfear [https://github.com/myfear] Beautiful MicroProfiler,
can you help check the latest version of the whitepaper? use link above and submit as many comments as you see fit, specially on the section you wrote. Other feedback also welcomed. Thanks!
Thanks @aeiras, this link works. Whitepaper is very good!
@aeirashttps://github.com/aeiras @rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames I have some small issues / question related to the MP Tech WP:
IMO it would make sense that I use the same font for the text elements inside my images. In addition it would be great if all the images could be scaled in the same way. I tried to use the same font sizes e.g. for service names, the explanation, etc. for all images. But because of different scaling, it does not look the same inside the document. Best example for the different scaling are the two images on page 08, 09 and 19. It would be great if the microservices pictograms and all the font sizes are alike on both images. To help you you @rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames to be able to scale the images with the same factor (e.g. the two images images page 08, page 09 and page 19) and to make them more consistent I reworked some of the images (see google drive https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1cfvYUdVLUwMDIF6rTUSV4pLJ2jo5MXkL images_lars_v2.zip). In detail I changed … checkout_choreography_v2:
I decreased the height – by repositioning some of the elements - so that the image can be zoomed out to the same factor as the image checkout_orchestration image.
I changed the text color inside the event boxes from white to blue due to better readability microprofile_3_0_v2:
cause there a no new APIs – other than in the previous releases – I removed “new” from the explanation
I changed the dark orange boxes to light orange boxes to be more consistent with the document theme configapi_v2:
I decreased the height – by repositioning some of the elements – so that the available free space on the page could be used in a better way
changed the white boxes to light orange to bring a little bit more color to the page and to make the image more consistent to the other images (@rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames which version do you prefer for this image? White boxes or light orange boxes?) openapi_v2:
I changed the dark orange boxes to light orange boxes to be more consistent with the document theme
Made the “MicroProfile OpenAPI Vendor” box a little bit more “eye friendly”
@rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames taking a look at the fold between page 24 and 25, the fold cuts the “MicroProfile Application” box of this image. I tried to make the image a little bit @rstjameshttps://github.com/rstjames Please replace the current versions of the images with the new once (v2) Lars
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Von: Amelia Eiras notifications@github.com Antworten an: eclipse/microprofile-marketing reply@reply.github.com Datum: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2019 um 21:00 An: eclipse/microprofile-marketing microprofile-marketing@noreply.github.com Cc: Lars Roewekamp lars.roewekamp@openknowledge.de, Mention mention@noreply.github.com Betreff: Re: [eclipse/microprofile-marketing] Technical White Paper by Lars (#3)
That is pretty great @mobileLarsonhttps://github.com/mobileLarson! Ryan is in vacation until late next week. Upon his return, he will tackle all the feedback you have provided directly on the latest version. We were concerned a few things from using word document and PDF were lost. My job is to go through it this wknd as you have done and find errors too. About the designs, we will figure it out next week with Ryan and follow up with you. The imagines are fantastic so Ryan and I chose not to even touch them. If we have to, we will do so. :) Ryan is better equipped to handle that side once he gets back.
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hey @MBJuric-- thank you for checking once again the version and your contribution to make sure errors are fixed :) you are wonderful!
@mobileLarson each and everyone of your contributions on the design, etc are fantastic. I cannot wait for @rstjames to be back, so that we can work on it all. :) keep them coming and as you know-- never holdback such feedback!
@mobileLarson I will make these icons tomorrow:
@aeiras can you please send me the community pics!!
@rstjames,
The main goal of any picture that is not related to content needs to be focused on MP Community. That means, hangout pics, monthly stats (I added 1 month), MP.io release design, etc. Anything that doesn't fit that needs to be dropped. :)
[ MP Hangout Pics folder- 2019] (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Cr1obCY5m3AzkDfMHECIg1zRcys8souJ)
[Lets also add current MP Media templates as part of the design across website and twitter, etc ]
MP google drive MP forum thread
draft v.3