Wording: DE/EN coherence

[oas777]

Can you extract the relevant "wording" so that we can take an overall look instead of discussing it here (Dashboard) and there (metadata/upload)?

[oas777]

Saving one discussion from https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/issues/808:

• Hier können Sie Videos von Ihrem Computer hochladen.
• Erstellen Sie Videos, indem Sie Ihren Bildschirm, Ihre Webcam und ihr Mikrofonsignal aufnehmen
• Hier finden Sie Ihre Videos und können diese verwalten und bearbeiten.
• Auf Ihren persönlichen Seiten können Sie Videos, Text und andere Element kombinieren.

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• Hier können Sie Videos von Ihrem Computer hochladen.
• Hier können Sie Sie Videos erstellen, indem Sie Ihren Bildschirm, Ihre Webcam und ihr Mikrofonsignal aufnehmen.
• Hier finden Sie Ihre Videos und können diese verwalten und bearbeiten.
• Hier können Sie auf Ihrer persönlichen Seite Videos, Text und andere Element kombinieren.

[owi92]

The translation files can be found here: https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/tree/master/frontend/src/i18n/locales

[oas777]

Danke. Ich lege hier mal meine Notizen dazu ab für eine spätere Diskussion. Wording Tobira DE.docx

[owi92]

@oas777 I have finally managed to look through your suggestions as part of our autumn cleanup (sorry for the substantial delay) and adjusted several things accordingly in #987. I've noticed that you marked a couple of words and sentences in red without elaborating - are these things that are open for discussion? (I wouldn't be surprised if you don't remember - again, apologies for the delay)

[oas777]

Ole, if I remember correctly, red parts of the text highlighted my suggestions for change. So I have to check whether these red passages are now in https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/blob/master/frontend/src/i18n/locales/de.yaml, right? That's the latest wording/translation files?

[owi92]

The latest translation file including my recent changes is at https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/blob/a51626b9403fe5e00f33505cff6828d482dad692/frontend/src/i18n/locales/de.yaml or, if you want to see these "in action" you can do so at https://pr987.tobira.opencast.org/ (though it's probably better to just look at the file instead, since some translations are sometimes hard to find in the deployment).

• I was asking about things like the below, which does not appear to be a suggestion (this and the other red things have been like that before).

• Suggestions you made look like they do in the next screenshot, and I have changed those in the link I gave you at the top.

[oas777]

• Die meisten (roten) Punkte hast du bereits umgesetzt, danke.
• Einige habe ich noch unter https://tinyurl.com/yquy3bj7 ergänzt bzw. entsprechend meiner Vorschläge korrigiert - kannst du diese Punkte nachvollziehen?
• "Noch keine Seiten..." und "Option auswählen..." fand ich wegen der Punkte so unbestimmt - weiss aber auch gar nicht, wo dieser Text zum Einsatz kommt. Hättest du mir das konkrete Beispiel bitte?
• Ausserdem gab es noch eine Grundsatzfrage nach "Episode" und "Serie", ob insbesondere Ersteres nicht durch "Video" ersetzt werden könnte. Was meinst du?

[oas777]

Uuups.

• You have already implemented most of the (red) points, thank you.
• I have added some at https://tinyurl.com/yquy3bj7 or corrected them according to my suggestions - can you see these points?
• I found "No pages yet..." and "Select an option..." so vague because of the points - but I don't even know where this text is used. Could you please give me the specific example?
• There was also a fundamental question about “episode” and “series”, whether the former in particular could not be replaced by “video”. What do you think?

[owi92]

No worries ;) I'm also sometimes a little incovenienced by the fact that we have to converse in english here, as it does make writing certain things a little harder/slower, at least for me.

I have added some at https://tinyurl.com/yquy3bj7 or corrected them according to my suggestions - can you see these points?

• Unfortunately not. What you can do is commit and push your changes there, then I should be able to see them. I made a super short video where this is shown: https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/assets/94838646/27d4a354-d791-48fd-b451-cb520cc9da2e I think that should work.

I found "No pages yet..." and "Select an option..." so vague because of the points - but I don't even know where this text is used. Could you please give me the specific example?

• Yeah "No pages yet" should be hard to see for you. That is only shown when Tobira has no content at all, which looks like:

  

• "Select an option" is shown in a couple of dropdown selectors like the ones for adding a video or series to a page:

  

There was also a fundamental question about “episode” and “series”, whether the former in particular could not be replaced by “video”. What do you think?

• Agree 100% and I think so does Lukas. I already changed that to say "video" instead.

[owi92]

Unfortunately not. What you can do is commit and push your changes there, then I should be able to see them. I made a super short video where this is shown: https://github.com/elan-ev/tobira/assets/94838646/27d4a354-d791-48fd-b451-cb520cc9da2e I think that should work.

As follow up, I should probably mention that this is not what I would usually recommend. This is purely based on the assumption that you can still see your changes there. In that case, what I described above would be the easiest way for you to share your suggestions. Otherwise I would recommend that you make another word document, like you did before.

[oas777]

With respect to "No pages yet..." and "Select an option...": I would delete the tree points, but I can live with you not doing so. But if you don't, please make sure there isn't a blank/space before the dots like the one I think I see in your screenshot of "Noch keine Seiten ...". And about the editing: I only did some very minor changes, so let's keep it at that. I don't think I will come across a similar task in the near future...

[LukasKalbertodt]

Actually :nerd_face:, as per DIN 5008, in German one should use a space before "..." in most situation. I wasn't aware of this for a long time but learned a couple years ago. Also relevant: this section of the Wikipedia article talking about the use as "Stilmittel" which is the case here I think.

That said, I also don't mind removing them :D I was accused multiple times already of using the Auslassungspunkte too much ...

[oas777]

Alt wie 'ne Kuh und lernt noch dazu ... with this in mind, you can handle them points anyway you like.